Good uses and bad uses of Liam Fraser

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Re: Good uses and bad uses of Liam Fraser

by Vision » 19 Aug 2025 20:51

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Vision Also those 3 strikers mentioned played with a strike partner as a front 2. Rightly or wrongly thats not how we, or virtually any other team, currently plays.

Back to the original post. I've not seen anything so far that suggests Fraser is a nailed on number 6 and nothing else.

He was better further forward than he was defensively before Wing got injured against Huddersfield. Had a couple of great incisive passes whilst in an advanced position in that game.

Against Wimbledon that flick that almost got Ahmed away was exactly the sort of back to goal inventive play that is required from an advanced midfielder. Added to that, we clearly wanted to use his aerial presence in an attacking sense by making runs into the box. He got on the end of a couple of sub par crosses. Better deliveries and we may have been looking at a real attacking threat adding a different dimension to the team. I can't recall too many occasions in the last few seasons where we've had a midfielder arriving late into the box to get on the end of crosses. Knibbs was good at finding space in the area and sniffing out chances but I wouldn't say he directly got on the end of crosses as an aerial threat.

I can only comment on what I've seen for us so far and it may prove that he is mainly suited to a defensive midfield role but the evidence I've seen in a Reading shirt suggests he can definitely provide something positive when played further forward.


I think Fraser is a great squad player but not in my starting 3. I am going to jump back to o Mahoney sorry, you mentioned the 2 up front and I think this is the issue, some players are better suited to a front 2 and I think Omahoney is this type of striker. So we either need to find a striker to play with him and change formation. Or find a striker designed as a lone striker. Lucas Joao anyone lol.


If we had anyone who could cross a ball then peak Kermogant would be ideal.

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Re: Good uses and bad uses of Liam Fraser

by West F » 19 Aug 2025 22:11

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Vision Also those 3 strikers mentioned played with a strike partner as a front 2. Rightly or wrongly thats not how we, or virtually any other team, currently plays.

Back to the original post. I've not seen anything so far that suggests Fraser is a nailed on number 6 and nothing else.

He was better further forward than he was defensively before Wing got injured against Huddersfield. Had a couple of great incisive passes whilst in an advanced position in that game.

Against Wimbledon that flick that almost got Ahmed away was exactly the sort of back to goal inventive play that is required from an advanced midfielder. Added to that, we clearly wanted to use his aerial presence in an attacking sense by making runs into the box. He got on the end of a couple of sub par crosses. Better deliveries and we may have been looking at a real attacking threat adding a different dimension to the team. I can't recall too many occasions in the last few seasons where we've had a midfielder arriving late into the box to get on the end of crosses. Knibbs was good at finding space in the area and sniffing out chances but I wouldn't say he directly got on the end of crosses as an aerial threat.

I can only comment on what I've seen for us so far and it may prove that he is mainly suited to a defensive midfield role but the evidence I've seen in a Reading shirt suggests he can definitely provide something positive when played further forward.


I think Fraser is a great squad player but not in my starting 3. I am going to jump back to o Mahoney sorry, you mentioned the 2 up front and I think this is the issue, some players are better suited to a front 2 and I think Omahoney is this type of striker. So we either need to find a striker to play with him and change formation. Or find a striker designed as a lone striker. Lucas Joao anyone lol.


If we had anyone who could cross a ball then peak Kermogant would be ideal.


Maybe a little digging into how Portsmouth or Cork City got the best out of him.

Just did. Please don’t look. If you did, there is a number you can call for support.

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Re: Good uses and bad uses of Liam Fraser

by traff » 19 Aug 2025 22:47

In answer to the question asked.

Good use:

Berkshire Lumberjack Liaison Officer
Drake Aficionado
Manning a maple syrup advice line
Adorning double denim
Beaver stroker

Bad uses:
Rapport building with Donald Trump
3 legged hat stand

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Re: Good uses and bad uses of Liam Fraser

by linkenholtroyal » 20 Aug 2025 13:54

traff In answer to the question asked.

Good use:

Berkshire Lumberjack Liaison Officer
Drake Aficionado
Manning a maple syrup advice line
Adorning double denim
Beaver stroker

Bad uses:
Rapport building with Donald Trump
3 legged hat stand

:lol: :lol:

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Re: Good uses and bad uses of Liam Fraser

by RoyallyFcuked » 20 Aug 2025 14:50

The first choice midfield 3 has to be Wing, Elliott and Savage. I think Fraser will get a fair few starts though even with everyone fit, depending on how we want to play and who we are playing, but he needs to always be playing as a defensive midfielder surely.

Further forward, Doyle can play as either of the wide men in the front 3 can't he? Think he might be more effective there than in the midfield. With everyone fit Kyerewaa, Doyle, Lane, Kelvin and Camara should be fighting for those 2 places. Shame Kelvin isn't better at playing centre forward, as we obviously need someone who offers something a bit different from O'Mahony.


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Re: Good uses and bad uses of Liam Fraser

by Vision » 20 Aug 2025 16:57

RoyallyFcuked The first choice midfield 3 has to be Wing, Elliott and Savage. I think Fraser will get a fair few starts though even with everyone fit, depending on how we want to play and who we are playing, but he needs to always be playing as a defensive midfielder surely.

Further forward, Doyle can play as either of the wide men in the front 3 can't he? Think he might be more effective there than in the midfield. With everyone fit Kyerewaa, Doyle, Lane, Kelvin and Camara should be fighting for those 2 places. Shame Kelvin isn't better at playing centre forward, as we obviously need someone who offers something a bit different from O'Mahony.


I'm sure I read somewhere that Rob Eliott the manager at Crawley where he had a successful loan was quite adamant that Doyle was at his best centrally rather than out wide.

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Re: Good uses and bad uses of Liam Fraser

by Esteban » 20 Aug 2025 17:09

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RoyallyFcuked The first choice midfield 3 has to be Wing, Elliott and Savage. I think Fraser will get a fair few starts though even with everyone fit, depending on how we want to play and who we are playing, but he needs to always be playing as a defensive midfielder surely.

Further forward, Doyle can play as either of the wide men in the front 3 can't he? Think he might be more effective there than in the midfield. With everyone fit Kyerewaa, Doyle, Lane, Kelvin and Camara should be fighting for those 2 places. Shame Kelvin isn't better at playing centre forward, as we obviously need someone who offers something a bit different from O'Mahony.


I'm sure I read somewhere that Rob Eliott the manager at Crawley where he had a successful loan was quite adamant that Doyle was at his best centrally rather than out wide.


He's a lot stronger than I realised, looks very stocky. I think he'd do well playing off the striker as a number 10. Given the amount of times the ball bounces off our number 9s, he'd get loads of touches. :wink:

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Re: Good uses and bad uses of Liam Fraser

by Snowflake Royal » 20 Aug 2025 17:25

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RoyallyFcuked The first choice midfield 3 has to be Wing, Elliott and Savage. I think Fraser will get a fair few starts though even with everyone fit, depending on how we want to play and who we are playing, but he needs to always be playing as a defensive midfielder surely.

Further forward, Doyle can play as either of the wide men in the front 3 can't he? Think he might be more effective there than in the midfield. With everyone fit Kyerewaa, Doyle, Lane, Kelvin and Camara should be fighting for those 2 places. Shame Kelvin isn't better at playing centre forward, as we obviously need someone who offers something a bit different from O'Mahony.


I'm sure I read somewhere that Rob Eliott the manager at Crawley where he had a successful loan was quite adamant that Doyle was at his best centrally rather than out wide.

And I think his first game here where he played out wide he was not very effective.

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