Two Ian Harte assists today....

[AthleticoSpizz]

oh the irony

lol at you lot

[CayeneMatt]

Would Mills have provided the same number of assists in the last few games?

Right.

[Snowball]

Would Mills have provided the same number of assists in the last few games?

Right.

I LIKE Mills but there's no competition ATM

0,776 Minutes 5 Major Contributions - One every 0155 Minutes HARTE

1,118 Minutes 1 Major Contributions - One every 1118 Minutes MILLS



MIlls (excluding his 9 minute sub appearance debut at Hull)

0-2 Watford
2-0 Doncaster
1-1 Coventry
3-2 Bristol City
0-0 Middlesbrough
1-0 Burnley
2-2 Derby
1-1 Southampton
0-0 Crystal Palace
0-1 Nottingham Forest
1-0 Birmingham
1-2 Cardiff

12-11

P12 W4 D5 L3 15 Points = 1.25 pp

Harte (and the team) had a poor start to the season. IMO a lot was down to Elwood's poor form after a summer marriage...

Even so, including the bad run, Harte's stats outweigh Mills's

If you look at the recent games (now Harte has had his seasonal rocket)
it's 3 wins in 4 and we really shouldn't have lost at Blackpool.

Harte (Excluding 3 min sub appearance v Saints)

2-2 Millwall
2-0 Leicester
0-1 Portsmouth
1-2 Barnsley
0-1 Hull

3-2 Ipswich
3-2 Peterborough
0-1 Blackpool
3-0 West Ham

P9 W4 D1 L4 14-11 13 Points 1.44 ppg

That's a 9-point better season (even including our awful start)

Since Harte (W3 L1) has returned we are averaging 2.25 ppg, 103/104 point season

Obviously we need another ten games or so to be definitive, but IMO it's already very clear that we are a better team with Harte playing

[melonhead]

his defending is awful still though, and his set piece delivery apart from his assists was worse than mills



and wtf is a "major contribution" and who are you to decide what one is?

[Snowball]

his defending is awful still though, and his set piece delivery apart from his assists was worse than mills



and wtf is a "major contribution" and who are you to decide what one is?

Jeez Melon, how many times do I need to explain


A GOAL is a major contribution (attacking-wise)

An assist is a major contribution (attacking-wise)

In Harte's case I chose to consider he had two half-assists. The first was his cross to Kebe
(Kebe's header was probably a goal anyway before Church nicked it, and even if it wasn't
definitely going in, Harte "made it" with the great cross)

The second was again Harte picking out Kebe for the knock-back to Alf.

[Snowball]

half-assist.. kinda sad when you have to invent new words in order to praise the guy.
Anyhow, I'm glad he has contributed something of late, but it still does not change the general perception that he is too old, too slow and can't defend - nobody has ever claimed he couldn't pass the ball or shoot, his weaknesses remain the same.
My opinion differs from yours in that I think his attacking contribution does not outweigh his major weaknesses in defending.

I'd also like you to take into consideration the fact that Mills is young and can improve as his experience grows, while Harte is old and will probably only get worse.

I'm "inventing" nothing. He made Kebe's "goal" which Church nicked.

How does Church touching the ball negate Harte's good work?

[melonhead]

his defending is awful still though, and his set piece delivery apart from his assists was worse than mills



and wtf is a "major contribution" and who are you to decide what one is?

Jeez Melon, how many times do I need to explain


A GOAL is a major contribution (attacking-wise)

An assist is a major contribution (attacking-wise)

In Harte's case I chose to consider he had two half-assists. The first was his cross to Kebe
(Kebe's header was probably a goal anyway before Church nicked it, and even if it wasn't
definitely going in, Harte "made it" with the great cross)

The second was again Harte picking out Kebe for the knock-back to Alf.

major contributions and half assists are the stuff of snowball pseudo stats, and i shall have no part in them

[marcusopp]

Not this half assist and virtual goals crap again!

It's a shame Harte is a left back given our tactics. He's clearly a classiest player we've got, but we tend to leave our full backs 1 on 1 with opposition wingers. This puts poor Ian Harte into his weakest situation.

Ultimately McD has to choose between great delivery, an experienced head and composure and pace. If Harte had pace, he'd be a premiership player.
If we'd had Mills at wembly, we might have gone up! If we'd had Mills all season, we probably wouldn't have made the playoffs.
Rotate them depending on our opposition I guess!

[Ian Royal]

It's just a way of manipulating stats to his favourites' benefit.

Notice how he only talks about attacking things, because that's the only thing you can easily provide stats for on an individual basis (and even then he arses it up with subjective, biased nonsense). AFAIK Harte is primarily in the team as a defender. And he has looked extremely suspect defensively. Thank fully we're able to just about get away with it because the other three are playing very well and we have two defensive midfielders. We'll play better football with Mills in the side and probably be better off defensively too.

His set pieces have largely been awful to mediocre, with a few great ones. From what I'd seen McAnuff and Mills' set pieces were pretty much the same, maybe not as good at their best, but we weren't putting them away. Remember we had a fair few corners etc where Gorkss amongst others had great chances to put the ball away and missed, prior to Harte coming back in.

[Svlad Cjelli]

It's just a way of manipulating stats to his favourites' benefit.

Notice how he only talks about attacking things, because that's the only thing you can easily provide stats for on an individual basis (and even then he arses it up with subjective, biased nonsense). .....

Even the attacking stats prove very little. Yesterday was a perfect case. For 65 minutes Hunt ran around hassling West Ham, causing them problems and tiring them out. But according to Snowball's stats his contribution was worthless. Church came on and scored two goals playing against 10 men and his stats are really positive.

Not belittling Church's contribution in teh slightest - just pointing out that Snowball's "methods" (and I use the word advisedly) don't reflect any of the depth or context - I consider that without Hunt's 65 minutes of effort Church wouldn't have had those chances, but you'd never see that in a million years from Snowball's presentation of the numbers.

[Ian Royal]

I'm not going to argue with you Dirk. There's only so much you can do with stats obviously, but that doesn't mean you should write them off as not good enough. As we've always said, their and indicator and nothing more. Unfortunately that isn't the way snowball presents them.

There's none so blind as those convinced of their own superior intellect. And it's easy to dismiss everyone else on a faceless message board.

[CayeneMatt]

It's just a way of manipulating stats to his favourites' benefit.

Notice how he only talks about attacking things, because that's the only thing you can easily provide stats for on an individual basis (and even then he arses it up with subjective, biased nonsense). AFAIK Harte is primarily in the team as a defender. And he has looked extremely suspect defensively. Thank fully we're able to just about get away with it because the other three are playing very well and we have two defensive midfielders. We'll play better football with Mills in the side and probably be better off defensively too.

His set pieces have largely been awful to mediocre, with a few great ones. From what I'd seen McAnuff and Mills' set pieces were pretty much the same, maybe not as good at their best, but we weren't putting them away. Remember we had a fair few corners etc where Gorkss amongst others had great chances to put the ball away and missed, prior to Harte coming back in.

I think you're missing the point of this thread....

Harte is providing goals, Mills did not.

No one disagrees with you about Mills being the future and Harte being the past, but the fact remains we've been getting results since Harte came back in to the team, and a sizeable number of those have been assists by Harte.

When Harte has a run of shipping goals, Mills will be back, and rightly so.

[Ian Royal]

I'm not convinced we wouldn't have scored some of those goals anyway. And it's "only" three assists.

Very pleased to have Harte available to step up whilst Mills is out and he's provided an impetus to score at least.

[Woodcote Royal]

Great performance from the old fella today...........................didn't put a foot wrong all afternoon.

[SLAMMED]

lol

[CayeneMatt]

Harte's delivery yesterday was as good as anything we've seen in a while from Mills or Jobi.

The inswinger to the back post for Connelly's header was inch perfect, and Harte/hunt nearly pulled off a repeat of the Leicester goal.

Also the whipped in cross in the 2nd half deserved a striker to be on the end of it , but Church was too slowbin anticipatig the cross.

[Snowball]

Harte's delivery yesterday was as good as anything we've seen in a while from Mills or Jobi.

.

absolutely

[melonhead]

delivery much better from him yesterday,superb at times. and looked assured at the back aswell, which is nice.though that may be cos cov are woeful

[CayeneMatt]

Well, actually 1 goal and 1 assist.

Brought back to the top to wind up those muppets (especially the ones that don't go to games) who said he should be long gone.

I was there, and he played as well as anyone.

[Turns8]

Great freekick tbf...if he's hit some form and with Roberts picking up freekicks on the edge of the box...it adds another dimension to our attacking play which has been missing for most of the season...