Still the oldest

Focher · by **Focher** » 30 May 2007 13:35

Mk Dons

SpaceCruiser · by **SpaceCruiser** » 30 May 2007 13:42

Behindu Wikipedia mention some facts that wuld seem to cast doubt on whether Sheffield are older than us !

It says that Sheffield played the game to their own code of rules and only adopted the FA rules in 1878.

How can a club that plays by a different set of rules claim to be a 'football club' ?

Surely if they use different rules they are playing a different sport ?

That does raise a question. When was the FA established? If a football club was established before the FA then how could they play to any established set of rules other than what they know or their own rules?

Yorkshire Royal · by **Yorkshire Royal** » 30 May 2007 13:58

I've often wondered.. How can you have one oldest club? Who did they play against?

anR · by **anR** » 30 May 2007 14:04

Yorkshire Royal I've often wondered.. How can you have one oldest club? Who did they play against?

Wimbeldon FC don't exist anymore despite having played in the Premiership.

SpaceCruiser · by **SpaceCruiser** » 30 May 2007 14:04

Yorkshire Royal I've often wondered.. How can you have one oldest club? Who did they play against?

A good question. I guess they played against a team made up of individuals in friendlies, much like the FFF, Hob Nobs, Burbs and SROT.

Stooper · by **Stooper** » 30 May 2007 14:08

Deadlock Stoke are disqualified for trying to claim another club's history.

Tell that to MK Dons/AFC Wimbledon

Behindu · by **Behindu** » 30 May 2007 14:29

SpaceCruiser That does raise a question. When was the FA established? If a football club was established before the FA then how could they play to any established set of rules other than what they know or their own rules?

It was founded in 1863

SpaceCruiser · by **SpaceCruiser** » 30 May 2007 14:32

Behindu
SpaceCruiser That does raise a question. When was the FA established? If a football club was established before the FA then how could they play to any established set of rules other than what they know or their own rules?

It was founded in 1863

And according to Deadlock's post, Sheffield was formed in 1857 so therefore they didn't have a set of rules to adhere to at that time.....

Stranded · by **Stranded** » 30 May 2007 14:33

There was much confusion over the rules of football for some time in the late 1800's as different leagues had different rules.

Am I correct in thinking that a large part of our 18-0 defeat to Preston was down to the fact we kept on giving away freekicks due to handball as in the competition we played in you were allowed to bring the ball down with your hand but the FA had outlawed in the FA Cup?

Behindu · by **Behindu** » 30 May 2007 14:37

SpaceCruiser
Behindu
SpaceCruiser That does raise a question. When was the FA established? If a football club was established before the FA then how could they play to any established set of rules other than what they know or their own rules?

It was founded in 1863

And according to Deadlock's post, Sheffield was formed in 1857 so therefore they didn't have a set of rules to adhere to at that time.....

Why not ?

Do you think that groups of people just played 'freestyle' games of football ?

Rules existed, just not a single set agreed by all.

My earlier point though was that once a set of rules had been agreed, if a team decided to play outside those rules they were not an 'Association Football' team. Some teams who were formed as 'football' teams actually became rugby teams and stopped playing football. Effectively they just play to the 'Rugby' version of the rules of football !

SpaceCruiser · by **SpaceCruiser** » 30 May 2007 14:51

Behindu
SpaceCruiser
Behindu
SpaceCruiser That does raise a question. When was the FA established? If a football club was established before the FA then how could they play to any established set of rules other than what they know or their own rules?

It was founded in 1863

And according to Deadlock's post, Sheffield was formed in 1857 so therefore they didn't have a set of rules to adhere to at that time.....

Why not ?

Do you think that groups of people just played 'freestyle' games of football ?

Rules existed, just not a single set agreed by all.

My earlier point though was that once a set of rules had been agreed, if a team decided to play outside those rules they were not an 'Association Football' team. Some teams who were formed as 'football' teams actually became rugby teams and stopped playing football. Effectively they just play to the 'Rugby' version of the rules of football !

What you say makes sense. However, you did ask whether Sheffield was a football club at time when there wasn't an FA.

Kitson12 · by **Kitson12** » 30 May 2007 15:09

Don't think anyone's mentioned Stoke yet

WSRL

bobby m's syrup · by **bobby m's syrup** » 30 May 2007 15:39

I am pretty sure that we are the second oldest top-flight club in the world. Founded 2 yrs after....wait for it....
Kilmarnock 1869

Deadlock · by **Deadlock** » 30 May 2007 15:42

Stranded There was much confusion over the rules of football for some time in the late 1800's as different leagues had different rules.

Am I correct in thinking that a large part of our 18-0 defeat to Preston was down to the fact we kept on giving away freekicks due to handball as in the competition we played in you were allowed to bring the ball down with your hand but the FA had outlawed in the FA Cup?

I've not heard that before. What I have heard is that it was very muddy, and Preston had studs in their boots; we didn't.

Stranded · by **Stranded** » 30 May 2007 15:51

Deadlock
Stranded There was much confusion over the rules of football for some time in the late 1800's as different leagues had different rules.

Am I correct in thinking that a large part of our 18-0 defeat to Preston was down to the fact we kept on giving away freekicks due to handball as in the competition we played in you were allowed to bring the ball down with your hand but the FA had outlawed in the FA Cup?

I've not heard that before. What I have heard is that it was very muddy, and Preston had studs in their boots; we didn't.

I could be wrong. Just seem to recall reading it somewhere and it's stuck in my mind - may be a story of another game and it's become linked to that game in my mind somehow.

Rawlie19 · by **Rawlie19** » 30 May 2007 16:18

Stranded
Deadlock
Stranded There was much confusion over the rules of football for some time in the late 1800's as different leagues had different rules.

Am I correct in thinking that a large part of our 18-0 defeat to Preston was down to the fact we kept on giving away freekicks due to handball as in the competition we played in you were allowed to bring the ball down with your hand but the FA had outlawed in the FA Cup?

I've not heard that before. What I have heard is that it was very muddy, and Preston had studs in their boots; we didn't.

I could be wrong. Just seem to recall reading it somewhere and it's stuck in my mind - may be a story of another game and it's become linked to that game in my mind somehow.

I heard a version that said Preston were scoring a lot of goals because they were heading the ball which wasn't allowed in the league we played in and so totally confused the players. Hard to deal with a ball in the air if you don't head the ball and the player you're up against does.

Behindu · by **Behindu** » 30 May 2007 16:21

I heard similar excuses from West Ham in January, seems we were playing a different game to them !

Royal With Cheese · by **Royal With Cheese** » 30 May 2007 17:00

Yorkshire Royal I've often wondered.. How can you have one oldest club? Who did they play against?

They obviously played with themselves.

I think they were all short sighted too.

Millsy · by **Millsy** » 30 May 2007 17:38

Stoke

Derbyshire Royal · by **Derbyshire Royal** » 30 May 2007 18:10

To be fair the Blades fans dont try and link themselves with Sheffield FC.

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