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Re: Back from the game - Hull (A)

by RoyalBlue » 27 Aug 2011 22:58

FiNeRaIn Plenty of descriptions on here said his command of the area in particular was poor on tuesday, even this thread alone...and the other night. Shocking may be a bit harsh, but thats EXACTLY the over-statement people use when they describe feds performances...so that's my way of perhaps taking a snipe and riling those same people. Its obviously worked with you as you are very critical of feds, even when not deserving. Fed is a talented keeper, as I said he has weaknesses however you are assuming that with a long run in the team mccarthy would be an improvement...that's a very close call and nowhere near as cut and dry as some of you are making out.
Every time we lose a game he is made a scapegoat its getting annoying, its fickle, ignorant and its really a peeve of mine when people start chiming in with it after every game. We had no sustained pressure today, hardly created a chance and yet fed is taking the blame for conceding a flukey horror goal? ok.... :roll:
Why is no one blaming the horrible lack of creativity in our side and some quite awful, awful defending as per usual?


McDermott blamed the awful defending!

Take a bow Mr Harte!

With two keepers in my family, I know only too well the injustice of the situation. Strikers can fail to create a single opportunity or miss some absolute sitters but never (or only exceptionally rarely) get blamed for a team losing a game. Defenders can leave their keepers dreadfully exposed and yet still the keeper usually gets the blame! The keeper can make a string of exceptional saves but still carry the can because they let in 'that goal'. Keepers can even set up goals through quick thinking and good distribution but the scorer will take the credit. Even when they save a penalty it often goes down as being a result of a poor penalty rather than a good save. Who would be a keeper? No wonder they are often said to be mad!

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Re: Back from the game - Hull (A)

by Avon Royal » 27 Aug 2011 23:05

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I have an issue with you saying a very good keeper who had a decent game was shocking. Especially when you didn't see the match


Pot. Kettle. Black.

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Re: Back from the game - Hull (A)

by Ian Royal » 27 Aug 2011 23:15

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I have an issue with you saying a very good keeper who had a decent game was shocking. Especially when you didn't see the match


Pot. Kettle. Black.


Nice selective quoting there, what about the rest of it?

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Re: Back from the game - Hull (A)

by Avon Royal » 27 Aug 2011 23:23

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I have an issue with you saying a very good keeper who had a decent game was shocking. Especially when you didn't see the match


Pot. Kettle. Black.


Nice selective quoting there, what about the rest of it?


Thank you - handed to me on a plate though to be fair.

The rest didn't fit my purposes so I chose to ignore it - maybe I'm an RTG after all! :lol:

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Re: Back from the game - Hull (A)

by Ian Royal » 27 Aug 2011 23:24

No, fairly standard STG practice, best example is looking at OUT and ignoring IN, although you probably already know that.


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Re: Back from the game - Hull (A)

by FiNeRaIn » 27 Aug 2011 23:26

Ian Royal No, fairly standard STG practice, best example is looking at OUT and ignoring IN, although you probably already know that.


RTG's do exactly the same thing, you are bias beyond belief. :lol:

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Re: Back from the game - Hull (A)

by Avon Royal » 27 Aug 2011 23:30

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Ian Royal No, fairly standard STG practice, best example is looking at OUT and ignoring IN, although you probably already know that.


RTG's do exactly the same thing, you are bias beyond belief. :lol:


Agreed. Looking at Out and ignoring In is classic RTG.

As in, looking at £1.2m Out and ignoring the £12m In.......

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Re: Back from the game - Hull (A)

by Pseud O'Nym » 28 Aug 2011 00:10

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Ian Royal No, fairly standard STG practice, best example is looking at OUT and ignoring IN, although you probably already know that.


RTG's do exactly the same thing, you are bias beyond belief. :lol:


Agreed. Looking at Out and ignoring In is classic RTG.

As in, looking at £1.2m Out and ignoring the £12m In.......


As far as I'm concerned there are three ways to measure the performance of the club I support: the entertainment they've provided me, the position they finish the season in and their financial health as published in the audited accounts. This is not showing bias, just common sense.

For all but one of the last ten years I've been happy with all three criteria, and to be told that makes me an "RTG" with my head up the chairman's arse, I find both childish and offensive.

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Re: Back from the game - Hull (A)

by Ian Royal » 28 Aug 2011 00:36

Harte lost a few yards on Brady to give him space for the cross/shot far too easily and seemed in no hurry to try and close that space. Not sure from the picture if McAnuff was picking someone else up, but we really should have had an extra man on Brady, and you'd think it would be McAnuff. Will take another look at some point.

The difference between how we defend against wingers and how other teams defend against ours is shocking. Our wingers are doubled and even trippled up on by the opposition. Just been watching the Leicester first half for example and McAnuff often had three men round him. Not much you can do then but try and pass back.

Federici's positioning again a little on the suspect side. Not a glaring mistake you could really point a finger at him and say he's at fault for the goal, but I can't help but feel his performance on a lot of the goals we've conceeded this season is sub-optimal at best. At least it wasn't yet another cross to the six yard line. Although maybe that was the problem, trying to start off his line so he could do a better job claiming the cross and "whoops".

Good ball in from McAnuff which Karacan flicked on and Kebe buried, couldn't see if he was offside on the one viewing though.


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Re: Back from the game - Hull (A)

by FiNeRaIn » 28 Aug 2011 00:52

Goal was a total fluke, just like Ronaldinho's against england back in the day. Seen top class keepers let flukes like that in. Like kebe's cross against barnsley which hit the bar, would have been a complete stroke of luck.
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Re: Back from the game - Hull (A)

by Lower West » 28 Aug 2011 00:53

Ian Royal but I can't help but feel his performance on a lot of the goals we've conceeded this season is sub-optimal at best.


If the team retained possession. Then the opposition would create less chances during the game. Simple fact is we seem to have no ability to pressurise opponents for a sustained period.

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Re: Back from the game - Hull (A)

by Tails » 28 Aug 2011 00:55

Poor fullbacks are making two very good keepers look incredibly average. That is all.

Strengthen our full backs, strengthen the whole team performance.

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Re: Back from the game - Hull (A)

by Ian Royal » 28 Aug 2011 00:58

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Ian Royal but I can't help but feel his performance on a lot of the goals we've conceeded this season is sub-optimal at best.


If the team retained possession. Then the opposition would create less chances during the game. Simple fact is we seem to have no ability to pressurise opponents for a sustained period.


It's just not the way we play. We get the ball we attack and try to score. We're not out to dominate possession. I don't think you can make a particularly good case at our problems stemming from losing possession, I can't recall any of the six we've conceeded in the league coming from a quick turnover, although my memory isn't fab and I've only seen some of the goals through highlights which can be hard to pick that up from.

We definitely need to keep the ball better. Ironically, McAnuff is probably the best of all our attackers for deciding when not to take a risk and run at someone and instead when to pass the ball sideways or backwards to keep possession, and yet he gets a lot of stick from some fans.

Most of our players are below par at the moment, we need a little spark and it could quite easily all turn around.


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Re: Back from the game - Hull (A)

by FiNeRaIn » 28 Aug 2011 01:05

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Most of our players are below par at the moment, we need a little spark and it could quite easily all turn around.


If that's the case why aren't you and some others calling for the whole team to be changed instead of just federici, harte and griffin in most cases? :roll:

We are creating the square route of zilch, never mind the defensive problems. A lot of le fondre's goals are through balls 1v1, I can't remember the last time we even tried a through ball never mind actually scoring a 1v1( i'm aware there are probably a few occasions where we did). We need to create chances.

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Re: Back from the game - Hull (A)

by Ian Royal » 28 Aug 2011 01:12

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Most of our players are below par at the moment, we need a little spark and it could quite easily all turn around.


If that's the case why aren't you and some others calling for the whole team to be changed instead of just federici, harte and griffin in most cases? :roll:

We are creating the square route of zilch, never mind the defensive problems. A lot of le fondre's goals are through balls 1v1, I can't remember the last time we even tried a through ball never mind actually scoring a 1v1( i'm aware there are probably a few occasions where we did). We need to create chances.


Harte - because he's been atrocious in the games I've seen and doesn't even add anything set piece wise anymore, bar one corner. He is also incredibly slow and seems disinterested. He can't get forward to support McAnuff and then get back again. Our performance in the last ten years has largely been based on good fullbacks supporting our attack. Murty, Shorey, Bertrand, Griffin... We now have a good alternative to try.

Griffin - We have a good alternative in the wings, and he looks like he's carrying an injury, he didn't have a full pre-season. He needs a break.

Federici - I'm not actually calling for him to be dropped yet, I'm just pointing out he isn't doing very well and I prefer McCarthy. He's got at least another 5 games to save himself IMO.

Other than upfront and those three it's pretty clear the best players are already starting at the moment. The only other possibility now Le Fondre is here is for HRK to switch to the wing and replace McAnuff, although I think it's unlikely that McAnuff will be dropped for a good few games yet.

We created a fair bit against Barnsley by most accounts, plenty against Leicester and Millwall. The defence has been by far the major worry, for all to see as want to look objectively.

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Re: Back from the game - Hull (A)

by Woodcote Royal » 28 Aug 2011 03:39

I must have been one of many who watched Hull's goal over and over tonight and, for all his faults, Harte was reasonably tight on Brady as he was searching for the half a yard that would allow him to deliver his cross/shot. Both attackers in the 6 yard box were also tightly marked and not impeding the 'keeper yet when the ball was delivered from 25 yards Federici wasn't even close to preventing it ending up in the back of the net.

I agree that The Zimmer Brothers, who masquerade as our full backs, are the biggest handicap and are rightly being targeted as our Achilles heel but it's not true that they are making Fed look cr@p..................he does that all by himself and far too frequently.

McCarthy is inexperienced but Federici has had the job for 2 seasons and still isn't fit to lace Hahnemann's boots..........................and on that basis we shouldn't have to wait another 5 games for him to be replaced. After 4 straight defeats we need action now!!

In all his years with us how often was Marcus beaten by a shot from outside the box let alone lobbed by an incoming cross :| Fed is not unlucky, he's just not very good and it's time others stopped making excuses for him.

Meanwhile, Cummings must have the patience of a saint. Unless he becomes a regular in this team in the very near future we won't deserve to hang onto him.

I believe this is now a really competitive squad but it's currently crying out for some ruthless management and I'm looking for the real Brian McDermott to step up to the plate rather than the one who seems far too fond of the tried and failed Coppell approach of hanging onto those who have long since ceased to perform to the required standard.

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Re: Back from the game - Hull (A)

by FiNeRaIn » 28 Aug 2011 03:51

Woodcote Royal In all his years with us how often was Marcus beaten by a shot from outside the box let alone lobbed by an incoming cross :| Fed is not unlucky, he's just not very good and it's time others stopped making excuses for him.


Keith fahey for Birmingham on the last day of the season ring any bells? Condemning us to the play-offs, which hey ho...Burnley scored two from miles outside the area... :lol: :lol: :lol:

So yeah, 3 in two games. :roll:

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Re: Back from the game - Hull (A)

by Woodcote Royal » 28 Aug 2011 04:05

I didn't say he was never beaten from outside the box and the 2 from Burnley that day would have done for most. Marcus would never have been beaten by today's effort.

Those were 2 of his last 3 games for us and those 3 goals almost certainly determined that his time with us was over.Why shouldn't the same criteria apply to Feds error at Wembley given that it was every bit as costly and far more elementary?

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Re: Back from the game - Hull (A)

by sandman » 28 Aug 2011 09:17

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That like McD said the other night we are spoilt and have a sense of entitlement that these miracles he pulls out of a hat are going to keep happening.

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Re: Back from the game - Hull (A)

by Royal Lady » 28 Aug 2011 09:31

I don't know about other people, but sometimes I wish that Back From The Game threads were restricted to those who were ACTUALLY at the game, hence why (other than this post) I rarely post on the thread unless I've been. I'd rather hear from people who were there and listen to their comments on the game, rather than see people who didn't go bickering over something they've seen a 30 second clip of on the Football League Show.

There are normally plenty of other threads in which to say your piece/vent your spleen or whatever.

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