Swansea V Reading Official Match Thread

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Re: Swansea V Reading Official Match Thread

by Hoop Blah » 19 Aug 2009 10:01

cmonurz Good post HB, but I'm really going to struggle to discuss actual footballing matters this season until I understand the 'why?' of RFC being in the position it is in. This is completely demoralising.

We have lost the core of a side this summer, and not replaced them, and as a result, we are now facing a tough season rebuilding. Have we chosen this route? If so, why? I just don't really get it, and for some bizarre reason, I feel lower now about RFC than I did at any point during our Premier League relegation season, or last season's post-Xmas debacle.

Sides don't just go from two games from promotion to this; the club does not appear to have made any effort to invest in a side that could even come close to repeating last season's 4th place. Why the hell not?!


It's a massive sea of change, and it takes a bit of time for that to settle down.

Presumably Rodgers came in knowing that he was going to lose the remaining Premiership players in our squad. He probably hoped and expected that to happen a little quicker than it has, and maybe that's tied his hands a little, but I don't think it's a massive surprise that we've had to see those players go or that finacially the club see's that as the correct thing to do.

We do now need to spend some of that money getting in the right players to make Rodgers system work and move us forward.

I've been quite critical of Coppell's transfer policy in the past. I don't think he was anywhere near aggressive enough in trying to bring in new players, wage cap or no wage cap, and now Rodgers needs to step up to the plate and show that he can attract the kind of players he wants.

I don't take much issue with the club selling off the previous regimes crown jewells, that was always going to happen and we did quite well keeping the majority of them on for last season, but now we have to back the manager with decent funds (which I think we are doing) to go out and get his own gems.

Patience really is the key, and although I expect to see two more players join before the window closes, I do think we probably need a couple more on top of that. We might have to wait for January for those though.

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Re: Swansea V Reading Official Match Thread

by Snowball » 19 Aug 2009 10:03

Hoop Blah As for the game itself, even this early it's a little worrying how little attacking threat we carry as the squad learn to take onboard Rodgers new style.


Shane Long was our best striker in 2009 averaging better than a goal every two games.

Shane matched the best in pre-season with four goals and an assist

This season (league) he has more shots per minute than any other player.

He was a breath of fresh air when he came on versus Forest, was top-rated by The Times (7) versus Newcastle
and was very unlucky to be pulled back for "a foul" when bombing in on goal

Yet he has only had one start this season when the player stats for our strike force are terrible.

Church Davies Kanu Kebe Long Henry Hunt


Minutes Played

Chu Dav Kan Keb Lng Hen Hunt
090 090 064 090 026 000 000
054 090 036 066 090 000 024
090 045 090 000 000 077 045
234 225 190 156 116 077 069 Total minutes

000 001 001 000 000 000 000 On Target Shots
000 004 001 000 003 000 000 Off Target Shots
000 005 002 000 003 000 000 Total Shots
000 000 000 000 000 000 000 Goals
Fail 45.0 95.0 Fail 38.7 Fail Fail Mins per shot

Despite the "terrible touch" the club stats show Shane gets a shot away every 38.7 minutes, Davies every 45 minutes and Kanu every 95 minutes

Church and Henry have yet to have a shot of any description, on or off target in the league

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Re: Swansea V Reading Official Match Thread

by Barry the bird boggler » 19 Aug 2009 10:08

Funny thing stats, could have sworn Hunt had a header at the keeper last night.

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Re: Swansea V Reading Official Match Thread

by cmonurz » 19 Aug 2009 10:09

Those are pretty damning stats as a whole, not least for Simon Church. Two shots on target in three matches from our strikers, abysmal - and wasn't Davies one a long distance effort?
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Re: Swansea V Reading Official Match Thread

by I was there at Elm Park » 19 Aug 2009 10:09

Barry the bird boggler Funny thing stats, could have sworn Hunt had a header at the keeper last night.


I thought that was Mills.


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Re: Swansea V Reading Official Match Thread

by Snowball » 19 Aug 2009 10:15

Don't know about last night but we've looked better when Hunt has come on

But the club stats say no shots from him.

Personally I think we'd be OK 4-4-2 with Noel and Shane but it ent gonna happen

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Re: Swansea V Reading Official Match Thread

by Barry the bird boggler » 19 Aug 2009 10:18

cmonurz Those are pretty damning stats as a whole, not least for Simon Church. Two shots on target in three matches from our strikers, abysmal - and wasn't Davies one a long distance effort?


But how many times has the ball been put into a situation where a striker can have a pop of some description?

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Re: Swansea V Reading Official Match Thread

by Snowball » 19 Aug 2009 10:20

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cmonurz Those are pretty damning stats as a whole, not least for Simon Church. Two shots on target in three matches from our strikers, abysmal - and wasn't Davies one a long distance effort?


But how many times has the ball been put into a situation where a striker can have a pop of some description?




Davies and Long (despite Shane not getting a run in the side) DO get shots away

Church has had twice Long's minutes. How come Long manages three shots and Church none (unless Church is simply not quite ready yet?)

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Re: Swansea V Reading Official Match Thread

by Alan Partridge » 19 Aug 2009 10:21

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Hoop Blah As for the game itself, even this early it's a little worrying how little attacking threat we carry as the squad learn to take onboard Rodgers new style.


Shane Long was our best striker in 2009 averaging better than a goal every two games.

Shane matched the best in pre-season with four goals and an assist

This season (league) he has more shots per minute than any other player.

He was a breath of fresh air when he came on versus Forest, was top-rated by The Times (7) versus Newcastle
and was very unlucky to be pulled back for "a foul" when bombing in on goal

Yet he has only had one start this season when the player stats for our strike force are terrible.

Church Davies Kanu Kebe Long Henry Hunt


Minutes Played

Chu Dav Kan Keb Lng Hen Hunt
090 090 064 090 026 000 000
054 090 036 066 090 000 024
090 045 090 000 000 077 045
234 225 190 156 116 077 069 Total minutes

000 001 001 000 000 000 000 On Target Shots
000 004 001 000 003 000 000 Off Target Shots
000 005 002 000 003 000 000 Total Shots
000 000 000 000 000 000 000 Goals
Fail 45.0 95.0 Fail 38.7 Fail Fail Mins per shot

Despite the "terrible touch" the club stats show Shane gets a shot away every 38.7 minutes, Davies every 45 minutes and Kanu every 95 minutes

Church and Henry have yet to have a shot of any description, on or off target in the league


Your love for Long has no bounds.

Long wa sok at Newcastle for an hour then he was absolutely knackered, his touch disappeared and he gave away a penalty. 7/10 my arse.

'gets a shot away every 38minutes' :lol: :lol: Desperate.


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Re: Swansea V Reading Official Match Thread

by Platypuss » 19 Aug 2009 10:25

Barry the bird boggler Funny thing stats, could have sworn Hunt had a header at the keeper last night.


OS:

There was nearly a sting in the tail when Robson-Kanu did very well down the right, working enough space to get in a good hanging cross. Hunt rose to head it, but was unable to get enough power to beat Dorus de Vries.

He definitely had a shot against Newcastle which went across the keeper, but past the post.

Great data from which to draw statistics, these.

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Re: Swansea V Reading Official Match Thread

by chilipepper91 » 19 Aug 2009 10:28

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Hoop Blah As for the game itself, even this early it's a little worrying how little attacking threat we carry as the squad learn to take onboard Rodgers new style.


Shane Long was our best striker in 2009 averaging better than a goal every two games.

Shane matched the best in pre-season with four goals and an assist

This season (league) he has more shots per minute than any other player.

He was a breath of fresh air when he came on versus Forest, was top-rated by The Times (7) versus Newcastle
and was very unlucky to be pulled back for "a foul" when bombing in on goal

Yet he has only had one start this season when the player stats for our strike force are terrible.

Church Davies Kanu Kebe Long Henry Hunt


Minutes Played

Chu Dav Kan Keb Lng Hen Hunt
090 090 064 090 026 000 000
054 090 036 066 090 000 024
090 045 090 000 000 077 045
234 225 190 156 116 077 069 Total minutes

000 001 001 000 000 000 000 On Target Shots
000 004 001 000 003 000 000 Off Target Shots
000 005 002 000 003 000 000 Total Shots
000 000 000 000 000 000 000 Goals
Fail 45.0 95.0 Fail 38.7 Fail Fail Mins per shot

Despite the "terrible touch" the club stats show Shane gets a shot away every 38.7 minutes, Davies every 45 minutes and Kanu every 95 minutes

Church and Henry have yet to have a shot of any description, on or off target in the league


Your love for Long has no bounds.

Long wa sok at Newcastle for an hour then he was absolutely knackered, his touch disappeared and he gave away a penalty. 7/10 my arse.

'gets a shot away every 38minutes' :lol: :lol: Desperate.


Long's also the least accurate of all our players who have had a shot.

Long's also the striker who has had the most shots without scoring.

Stats can say what you want, Snowball.

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Re: Swansea V Reading Official Match Thread

by Maguire » 19 Aug 2009 10:28

Snowball This season (league) he has more shots per minute than any other player


Yet still hasn't scored a goal. Surely that makes him our worst striker?

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Re: Swansea V Reading Official Match Thread

by Maguire » 19 Aug 2009 10:30

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Barry the bird boggler Funny thing stats, could have sworn Hunt had a header at the keeper last night.


OS:

There was nearly a sting in the tail when Robson-Kanu did very well down the right, working enough space to get in a good hanging cross. Hunt rose to head it, but was unable to get enough power to beat Dorus de Vries.

He definitely had a shot against Newcastle which went across the keeper, but past the post.

Great data from which to draw statistics, these.


And Kebe no shots? He put one wide from 6 yards against Forest :-S


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Re: Swansea V Reading Official Match Thread

by Hoop Blah » 19 Aug 2009 10:39

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Hoop Blah As for the game itself, even this early it's a little worrying how little attacking threat we carry as the squad learn to take onboard Rodgers new style.


Shane Long was our best striker in 2009 averaging better than a goal every two games.


First off, Shane wasn't our best forward in 2009. He might've scored at a better rate than the others but he wasn't the best!

Personally I don't think Long didn't really anything worthwhile against Newcastle. I was a little surprised to see him dropped for Church though, but maybe Rodgers thought Long wasn't going to be fresh enough to play upfront on his own just a few days after the long trip to Newcastle.

I can understand the decision, but the fact of the matter is that neither Long nor Church have really shown enough in their spells upfront to make Rodgers pick one over the other.

What Long did last season bears absolutely no relevance to Rodgers picking the team for this season for two reasons, firstly he wasn't here to see it, and secondly he's asking completely different things of our players this season.

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Re: Swansea V Reading Official Match Thread

by Hoop Blah » 19 Aug 2009 10:41

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Barry the bird boggler Funny thing stats, could have sworn Hunt had a header at the keeper last night.


OS:

There was nearly a sting in the tail when Robson-Kanu did very well down the right, working enough space to get in a good hanging cross. Hunt rose to head it, but was unable to get enough power to beat Dorus de Vries.

He definitely had a shot against Newcastle which went across the keeper, but past the post.

Great data from which to draw statistics, these.


And Kebe no shots? He put one wide from 6 yards against Forest :-S


Snowball's been using these stats for all his paralysis by analysis postings....it's nice to see people pointing out how limited they are. I'm sure this will see Snowball move on and contribute is a less banal manner...

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Re: Swansea V Reading Official Match Thread

by Alan Partridge » 19 Aug 2009 10:41

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Hoop Blah As for the game itself, even this early it's a little worrying how little attacking threat we carry as the squad learn to take onboard Rodgers new style.


Shane Long was our best striker in 2009 averaging better than a goal every two games.


First off, Shane wasn't our best forward in 2009. He might've scored at a better rate than the others but he wasn't the best!

Personally I don't think Long didn't really anything worthwhile against Newcastle. I was a little surprised to see him dropped for Church though, but maybe Rodgers thought Long wasn't going to be fresh enough to play upfront on his own just a few days after the long trip to Newcastle.

I can understand the decision, but the fact of the matter is that neither Long nor Church have really shown enough in their spells upfront to make Rodgers pick one over the other.

What Long did last season bears absolutely no relevance to Rodgers picking the team for this season for two reasons, firstly he wasn't here to see it, and secondly he's asking completely different things of our players this season.


Quite, doesn't it concern you Snowball that 'our best striker in 2009' still can't hold down a regular first team start in an impartial mans team after all other options have been sold off? He'd rather pick a kid who was crap for Orient!

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Re: Swansea V Reading Official Match Thread

by papereyes » 19 Aug 2009 10:43

Snowball's been using these stats for all his paralysis by analysis postings....it's nice to see people pointing out how limited they are. I'm sure this will see Snowball move on and contribute is a less banal manner...


I think we need some statistics to work that out.

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Re: Swansea V Reading Official Match Thread

by Victor Meldrew » 19 Aug 2009 14:31

Deathy Any point away from home is excellent. Chill people.


Nonsense.
When did we last win a home league game?
With our current home form an away draw is relegation form.

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Re: Swansea V Reading Official Match Thread

by cmonurz » 19 Aug 2009 16:01

We have 26 points from our last 23 league games in this division. :|

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Re: Swansea V Reading Official Match Thread

by brendywendy » 19 Aug 2009 16:13

i dont think you need stats to see that Nhunt>>>>>>>>>>shane long>>>>>>>>>>>simon church

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