Two Ian Harte assists today....

[melonhead]

Pheno is right.

It won't happen (at least it's HIGHLY unlikely) but a midfield of Elwood-Karacn-Harte
would, IMO, be EXCELLENT.

.

except for the teensy tiny quibble that its clearly not what "pheno" asking for.

[Bandini]

Harte left back - Mills left mid - McAnuff right mid

I haven't watched enough of either to make a sensible judgement, but if Harte is wanted in the team for his set pieces, but is occasionally/often a liability in defence because of his lack of pace, why would we want him at left back with Mills left midfield, rather than vice versa. I appreciate that that would mean that our left midfielder wouldn't be a winger, but it wouldn't really be so different to the Gilkes/Smillie partnership which often worked, and even when it didn't it was exciting to watch.

[melonhead]

could then slot in defensively in the middle when we dont have the ball, and get out wide when we do.....

[Ian Royal]

To play in midfield you need to be mobile. Harte is not this. I don't particularly rate his passing for a central midfielder either, yes he's good at playing balls down the line and I'm not saying his passing is bad. But I don't think it's really what you want in a central midfielder.

Essentially the few of you suggesting him in DM / CM / LB with Mills LM are clutching at straws to find a way of playing both him and Mills. Playing people out of position is rarely a good idea, and it takes them time to learn the position and get up to speed. Something we really don't need.

Accept it's one or the other, pick the one you prefer and settle for that, because he simply isn't going to get played in midfield unless we have some sort of injury crisis. And McDermott hasn't even considered playing him LB and Mills LM. Why would he? His captain plays LM, and he has Kebe & HRK available for the wings as well.

Most of our problems ultimately stem from making do with inadequate players out of position. Hey, I know what's a good idea, lets do it some more!

[melonhead]

To play in midfield you need to be mobile. Harte is not this. I don't particularly rate his passing for a central midfielder either, yes he's good at playing balls down the line and I'm not saying his passing is bad. But I don't think it's really what you want in a central midfielder.

Essentially the few of you suggesting him in DM / CM / LB with Mills LM are clutching at straws to find a way of playing both him and Mills. Playing people out of position is rarely a good idea, and it takes them time to learn the position and get up to speed. Something we really don't need.

Accept it's one or the other, pick the one you prefer and settle for that, because he simply isn't going to get played in midfield unless we have some sort of injury crisis. And McDermott hasn't even considered playing him LB and Mills LM. Why would he? His captain plays LM, and he has Kebe & HRK available for the wings as well.

Most of our problems ultimately stem from making do with inadequate players out of position. Hey, I know what's a good idea, lets do it some more!

ok, i choose mills


and slap myself about for even starting to agree with tim dellor

[andrew1957]

The bottom line is that at this moment (forgetting about past glories) Mills is the better defender BUT Harte offers a great deal in a dead ball situation.

One option would be to play Harte at LB and Mills at LW in the hope that he can bomb forward but also cover Harte's lack of pace.

McAnuff can then play on the right and we can drop Kebe who is a complete waste of space now that he obviously wants away. I can only assume that the only reason RFC keep playing Kebe is in the hope of putting him in the shop window for the January sales - because his form in no way explains his inclusion in the team.

[melonhead]

except that ignores that kebes just had his best two games for us in ages, always looks slightly "bovvered" no matterwhat state his contract negotiations are at,is easily our most dangerous attacking/creative threat,and always takes a while to get going after injury lay off

[andrew1957]

except that ignores that kebes just had his best two games for us in ages, always looks slightly "bovvered" no matterwhat state his contract negotiations are at,is easily our most dangerous attacking/creative threat,and always takes a while to get going after injury lay off

I did not see Ipswich away but thought that apart from his goal he was shockingly poor against Cardiff. I could not believe he was still on the field by the time he did score.........and I would count myself as a Kebe fan in the past.

[melonhead]

except that ignores that kebes just had his best two games for us in ages, always looks slightly "bovvered" no matterwhat state his contract negotiations are at,is easily our most dangerous attacking/creative threat,and always takes a while to get going after injury lay off

I did not see Ipswich away but thought that apart from his goal he was shockingly poor against Cardiff. I could not believe he was still on the field by the time he did score.........and I would count myself as a Kebe fan in the past.

youre wrong though

[Ian Royal]

I want to play an owl in goal and have Noel Hunt ride into the game on the back of a f//ing Unicorn.
Who are you, Benjamin f//king Cardozo?
the role I’m asking him to play is Mrs Ideal on your f/cking birthday. It’s not that far removed.
Yeah. A slower DM results in the spontaneous combustion of the goal keeper, back four, and all the other midfielders around him. Don’t forget the stadium would also burn to the ground, and Jimmy Kebe would get AIDS.
Yeah? Well you stink and can’t f//k. So there.

I think you're wrong a lot, but you really are top quality entertainment!

[Snowball]

I LIKE Mills, and I know stopping goals is a big deal


but this:


0,596 Minutes Played 03 Major Contributions A Major Attacking Contribution every 0,199 Minutes 0 Goals 3 Assists HARTE

1,118 Minutes Played 01 Major Contributions A Major Attacking Contribution every 1,118 Minutes 0 Goals 1 Assists MILLS

[FiNeRaIn]

So you are basicly saying that through the magic of imagination, anyone can do anything

Yup. First I ludicrously suggest playing a defender as a defensive midfielder, next I want to play an owl in goal and have Noel Hunt ride into the game on the back of a f//ing Unicorn.

I put it to you that this is completely unrealistic

I put it to you? Who are you, Benjamin f//king Cardozo? Look, Harte can pass, he can tackle and he has a decent understanding of positioning. You talk as if the role I’m asking him to play is Mrs Ideal on your f/cking birthday. It’s not that far removed.

the other teams would just steam right through our midfield and pound in the goals over and over.

Yeah. A slower DM results in the spontaneous combustion of the goal keeper, back four, and all the other midfielders around him. Don’t forget the stadium would also burn to the ground, and Jimmy Kebe would get AIDS.

These two players have simply nothing in common with Ian Harte. Your examples do nothing but contradict your argument blah blah moan gripe bitter blah.

Yeah? Well you stink and can’t f//k. So there.

Lmao.

Sit down ideal.

[seahawk10]

im very much in the Harte to play camp, good on him

same

[Ian Royal]

Look, lets not go off half cocked here, Mills is injured so Harte is in for the time being, it's unlikely Mills was only out for 8 days, or that Harte would be dropped straight away after that display.

So he gets at least one more game, probably a couple and see how it goes. If he continues to do well and not be a big weak spot defensively, he'll retain his place. Rightly.
If he returns to being a bit of a defensive liability and doesn't keep producing two goals a game, then he'll be dropped again once Mills is fit. Rightly.

It really is that simple.

[Snowball]

Look, lets not go off half cocked here, Mills is injured so Harte is in for the time being, it's unlikely Mills was only out for 8 days, or that Harte would be dropped straight away after that display.

So he gets at least one more game, probably a couple and see how it goes. If he continues to do well and not be a big weak spot defensively, he'll retain his place. Rightly.
If he returns to being a bit of a defensive liability and doesn't keep producing two goals a game, then he'll be dropped again once Mills is fit. Rightly.

It really is that simple.

You REALLY think Mills had an injury?

After the last three games Maccer was pressured over Harte
and how he could play him.

Bingo, a perfectly-time injury.

If Harte has a good game Tuesday he will stay in until he has a stinker or two (or gets "injured")

[Ian Royal]

Yes, I do. Because it was reported he was injured and hadn't been playing badly.

If you want to go off on some wild goose chase consipracy theory based on absolutely nothing but the delusions of your own mind, knock yourself out.

[Snowball]

Yes, I do. Because it was reported he was injured and hadn't been playing badly.

If you want to go off on some wild goose chase consipracy theory based on absolutely nothing but the delusions of your own mind, knock yourself out.

Let's put it this way. I was very UNsurprised when they mentioned he "might" miss the game.

Don't know if they archive the after-match interviews but you could hear Maccer changing.

Anyway, not a conspiracy. Maccer could have told the lad he wanted to give Harte a run-out
and he need to rest that niggle. Saves face all round and allows Mills to come back in for
Blackpool if Harte doesn't come up to the job. Perfick.

[winchester_royal]

His name isn't 'macca', or 'maccer'. Nobody calls him that.

And yes he was injured, stop being an idiot. Next you'll start talking about puppets on the moon.

[Snowball]

Mills was injured, and still is.

Mr McDermott was not looking to change things to get goals

There are no puppets on the moon.

Winchester Royal is an erudite, careful-thinking gentleman.

I have never masturbated.

[Vision]

Re Harte as a holding midfielder. Is it really that daft an idea?

McD was perfectly amenable to the idea of trying Chris Armstrong there and there's not that much of a difference between the two. Harte might be slightly less mobile but no disrespect, Armstrong wasn't exactly Scott Parker by this stage. I dont think it would work with Liegertwood and Karacan as well though, it's just too limiting. Also its debateable whether Harte could get far enough up the pitch to really pick a pass that would hurt the opposition. However it's equally ridiculous to just dismiss the idea out of hand. It's something we might look to, if we want the trade off Harte's set-piece delivery whilst retaining pacier full-backs to aid our very slow centre halves.

Not saying it's something we could/should definitely try but McD has proved in the past that he can implement different styles of play to suit what he has at his disposal. I suspect the thought might have crossed his mind.