Football stats

[stealthpapes]

There's the stats that TV use and then there's the stats that the clubs actually use, which they tend to keep a little bit more secret.

That one is actually nearer to the latter case, fwiw.

[Winston Biscuit]

what I find odd is that you want someone on co coms or punditry who is skilled and knowledgeable, and can give insight to the viewer based on their experience. but the tv companies seem to have allowed themselves to feel pressured by the world of online football content which has become more and more stats based, and so now you get people with a great knowledge of the game, being handed meaningless stats to talk about, because with no context or explanation, the stats literally have no meaning

The people brought onto TV games should be counter to that world, and should be there to explain the human element of what is happening and why. Not just being told to discuss the 'impactful passes in middle 3rd' stat which someone behind the scenes has put up on the screen

[Sanguine]

Cracking stat this one, from Hull City's victory over Sheffield United. There were more combined league appearances for Sheffield United in Hull City's starting XI (463) than there were in Sheffield United's team (335).

[John Madejski's Wallet]

Cracking stat this one, from Hull City's victory over Sheffield United. There were more combined league appearances for Sheffield United in Hull City's starting XI (463) than there were in Sheffield United's team (335).

Mental
......although is that made up of a fair few players or just one or two long time Blades?

[BRO_BOT]

what I find odd is that you want someone on co coms or punditry who is skilled and knowledgeable, and can give insight to the viewer based on their experience. but the tv companies seem to have allowed themselves to feel pressured by the world of online football content which has become more and more stats based, and so now you get people with a great knowledge of the game, being handed meaningless stats to talk about, because with no context or explanation, the stats literally have no meaning

The people brought onto TV games should be counter to that world, and should be there to explain the human element of what is happening and why. Not just being told to discuss the 'impactful passes in middle 3rd' stat which someone behind the scenes has put up on the screen

The stats approach is better than the human element for certain things...initial recruitment, etc

The stat you mentioned above is probably one used to improve a model. It's a way of refining the stat to reflect what is happening on the pitch. Using it individually is a waste of time and the sort of thing journalists do (i.e. poor analysis)

If you were to refine player xG, you'd start thinking along the lines of whether the shot was on target, whether there were defenders who could block it, how good was the pass to the player etc

[Winston Biscuit]

what I find odd is that you want someone on co coms or punditry who is skilled and knowledgeable, and can give insight to the viewer based on their experience. but the tv companies seem to have allowed themselves to feel pressured by the world of online football content which has become more and more stats based, and so now you get people with a great knowledge of the game, being handed meaningless stats to talk about, because with no context or explanation, the stats literally have no meaning

The people brought onto TV games should be counter to that world, and should be there to explain the human element of what is happening and why. Not just being told to discuss the 'impactful passes in middle 3rd' stat which someone behind the scenes has put up on the screen

The stats approach is better than the human element for certain things...initial recruitment, etc

The stat you mentioned above is probably one used to improve a model. It's a way of refining the stat to reflect what is happening on the pitch. Using it individually is a waste of time and the sort of thing journalists do (i.e. poor analysis)

I think we are basically in agreement. Stats can tell you something deeper than you can see, but you need to use it alongside a bunch of other info to understand what it means. Some pundit throwing some random stat up on screen and pointing at it, as if it has any value at all is just straight up nonsense

[Sanguine]

Cracking stat this one, from Hull City's victory over Sheffield United. There were more combined league appearances for Sheffield United in Hull City's starting XI (463) than there were in Sheffield United's team (335).

Mental
......although is that made up of a fair few players or just one or two long time Blades?

Yeah. kind of ruins the stat but is basically Egan, Lundstrum and McBurnie.