England vs Germany - THE BUILD UP THREAD

[seahawk10]

England were well and truly Muellered today.

[Barry the bird boggler]

England were well and truly Muellered today.

[PEARCEY]

England were well and truly Muellered today.

Yes they were and he played very well. There is a lot of criticism about England today and rightly so but I don't think anyone on here is giving Germany credit for a very intelligent offensive performance.

[Millsy]

Dear Krauts,

You may have cheated your way out of our equaliser, but we'll always beat you when it matters.

Two world wars, one world cup. England till I die.

[readingfc13]

Christ that was awful. I can't see how Capello can stay now. He said he would pick players on form and only if fit but he has completely gone back on his word. There was no way Barry or Rooney were anywhere near fit. Capello is still picking players on reputation and it is just not good enough. Yes the players were shite but it is Capello who picks them again and again. Why bring Heskey on when we need goals? Why play Gerrard and Milner, who let's face it are not wingers, in wide positions? Why persist with Rooney when he has been utterly abysmal and offered nothing? Capello says he is an authoritarian manager but he is just as spineless as the players and tactically inept to boot.

How can he manage the England team when he struggles with English? Get in an English manager, get rid of the dead wood who have shown over four tournaments that they aren't good enough (one which they didn't even qualify for) and let's get back to basics. We aren't as good as these other nations so we need to start rebuilding for the future.

[Avon Royal]

England were well and truly Muellered today.

It wasn't even Klose.

[Barry the bird boggler]

We were like Lahms to the slaughter

[John Madejski's Wallet]

Get in an English manager

I wonder if anyone would dare to play like they did in the first two games of the group stage, if Neil Warnock were manager..

tbf Capello looks a right passionate psycho in the Warnock mould.

[Dirk Gently]

Get in an English manager

I wonder if anyone would dare to play like they did in the first two games of the group stage, if Neil Warnock were manager..

tbf Capello looks a right passionate psycho in the Warnock mould.

Kevin Keegan was a right passionate psycho - but a tactical numpty. If you could win games just by shouting and hectoring players Martin Allen would be a top-class manager.

[RoyalChicagoFC]

<^^^^^^^^^ You're a regular Martin Tyler, 'Hawkerz (only sans annot7ions to make it clear a yank audience)

And he reads HNA?

Massive LOLz @ Mike Turico on ESPN's "World Cup Today" just now as they went to an advert break --"[The Germans are celebr7ing], while England are bumming --and we'll be right back with more of 'World Cup Today'..."

As a Canuck (of sorts), he really ougtta know better

Eh

[daswonder]

I'm still looking, unsuccessfully, for Rooney's competitive goal scoring record

I think he's scored 13 in total and 2/3 in actual finals. not sure how many games that is in though.

Can anyone help?

//would also like crouch's to settle the debate here

http://www.englandfootballonline.com/Te ... oneyW.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wayne_Roon ... onal_goals

[Alan Partridge]

Anyone blaming James for the first goal simply just has absolutely no idea about the goalkeeping position. So he has to expect a straight goal kick to miss all defenders, for his centre half to bullied off it and be stood on the penalty spot to mop it up? Laughable.

David James was England's man of the match and they've been stuffed 4-1. Stuffed being the main word.

I am not one to blame managers as a first thought and I think too much focus is usually focused on managers. However, if you have 3 or 4 excellent players and the others are not so, then you build your team around them. Will Argentina play Messi on the left wing to accomodate a crap defensive midfielder? Like England have done with Gerrard and Barry?

4-4-2 at international level is completely out dated. No other major footballing nation plays this system. What makes it even more ludicrous is England in their lineup have no wingers! It's a Rodgers style ploy. Milner plays centrally for Villa and Gerrard certainly has never played wide in his life apart from when England try to 'fit him in'. Rooney has been world class this season for Man Utd, when he plays up front on his own and gets in the box. When he palys in a two because he gets no service and because he gets frustrated he leaves his position and starts floating around aimlessly. It is truly lamentable that a supposed world class coach has done this, he has got the absolute minimum out of his lets be honest, decent resources at hand.

England have put in 4 dismal performances at this world cup and ultimately, sorry I think the manager who is paid an absolute fortune to sort this lot out has been absolutely crap.

Individual performances were a shambles. Upson and Terry clueless, Glen Johnson is the worst right back I have seen at international level, worse than Phil Neville. Gareth Barry is just a complete waste of time. Can't pass, can't tackle, completely immobile. To play in there you have to be dynamic, fit and composed and he is absolutely none of those. Gerrard and Lampard maybe not helped by the system but both have fialed for the last 10 years and shouldn't be picked again. There are a selection of about 8-10 players that under no circumstance should be picked again for England.

for me Capello should be replaced, ideally for me by Roy Hodgson and England need to start a complete fresh. Away from the shackles of the big time charlies and underperforming players that have plagued the England team for the last 10 years.

[PEARCEY]

Anyone blaming James for the first goal simply just has absolutely no idea about the goalkeeping position. So he has to expect a straight goal kick to miss all defenders, for his centre half to bullied off it and be stood on the penalty spot to mop it up? Laughable.

David James was England's man of the match and they've been stuffed 4-1. Stuffed being the main word.

I am not one to blame managers as a first thought and I think too much focus is usually focused on managers. However, if you have 3 or 4 excellent players and the others are not so, then you build your team around them. Will Argentina play Messi on the left wing to accomodate a crap defensive midfielder? Like England have done with Gerrard and Barry?

4-4-2 at international level is completely out dated. No other major footballing nation plays this system. What makes it even more ludicrous is England in their lineup have no wingers! It's a Rodgers style ploy. Milner plays centrally for Villa and Gerrard certainly has never played wide in his life apart from when England try to 'fit him in'. Rooney has been world class this season for Man Utd, when he plays up front on his own and gets in the box. When he palys in a two because he gets no service and because he gets frustrated he leaves his position and starts floating around aimlessly. It is truly lamentable that a supposed world class coach has done this, he has got the absolute minimum out of his lets be honest, decent resources at hand.

England have put in 4 dismal performances at this world cup and ultimately, sorry I think the manager who is paid an absolute fortune to sort this lot out has been absolutely crap.

Individual performances were a shambles. Upson and Terry clueless, Glen Johnson is the worst right back I have seen at international level, worse than Phil Neville. Gareth Barry is just a complete waste of time. Can't pass, can't tackle, completely immobile. To play in there you have to be dynamic, fit and composed and he is absolutely none of those. Gerrard and Lampard maybe not helped by the system but both have fialed for the last 10 years and shouldn't be picked again. There are a selection of about 8-10 players that under no circumstance should be picked again for England.

for me Capello should be replaced, ideally for me by Roy Hodgson and England need to start a complete fresh. Away from the shackles of the big time charlies and underperforming players that have plagued the England team for the last 10 years.

Spot on Mr Partridge. Spot on.

[RoyalBlue]

LOL@ blaming James for that first goal when my dad and I could have defended that at the park. Jog on.

Eleven players on the pitch including the keeper. Part of the keeper's job is to make saves when his team-mates cock up! James was probably our best player on the day but nevertheless did get caught in two minds (watch him take a step back before coming, even though Upson was already losing out to Klose) for the first goal.

Two reasonable keepers in my household who do know a fair bit about the position and their view is that although James can't be blamed for the first goal, he wasn't entirely without fault.

[Avon Royal]

LOL@ blaming James for that first goal when my dad and I could have defended that at the park. Jog on.

Eleven players on the pitch including the keeper. Part of the keeper's job is to make saves when his team-mates cock up! James was probably our best player on the day but nevertheless did get caught in two minds (watch him take a step back before coming, even though Upson was already losing out to Klose) for the first goal.

Two reasonable keepers in my household who do know a fair bit about the position and their view is that although James can't be blamed for the first goal, he wasn't entirely without fault.

Jesus Christ!

[readingfc13]

Anyone blaming James for the first goal simply just has absolutely no idea about the goalkeeping position. So he has to expect a straight goal kick to miss all defenders, for his centre half to bullied off it and be stood on the penalty spot to mop it up? Laughable.

David James was England's man of the match and they've been stuffed 4-1. Stuffed being the main word.

I am not one to blame managers as a first thought and I think too much focus is usually focused on managers. However, if you have 3 or 4 excellent players and the others are not so, then you build your team around them. Will Argentina play Messi on the left wing to accomodate a crap defensive midfielder? Like England have done with Gerrard and Barry?

4-4-2 at international level is completely out dated. No other major footballing nation plays this system. What makes it even more ludicrous is England in their lineup have no wingers! It's a Rodgers style ploy. Milner plays centrally for Villa and Gerrard certainly has never played wide in his life apart from when England try to 'fit him in'. Rooney has been world class this season for Man Utd, when he plays up front on his own and gets in the box. When he palys in a two because he gets no service and because he gets frustrated he leaves his position and starts floating around aimlessly. It is truly lamentable that a supposed world class coach has done this, he has got the absolute minimum out of his lets be honest, decent resources at hand.

England have put in 4 dismal performances at this world cup and ultimately, sorry I think the manager who is paid an absolute fortune to sort this lot out has been absolutely crap.

Individual performances were a shambles. Upson and Terry clueless, Glen Johnson is the worst right back I have seen at international level, worse than Phil Neville. Gareth Barry is just a complete waste of time. Can't pass, can't tackle, completely immobile. To play in there you have to be dynamic, fit and composed and he is absolutely none of those. Gerrard and Lampard maybe not helped by the system but both have fialed for the last 10 years and shouldn't be picked again. There are a selection of about 8-10 players that under no circumstance should be picked again for England.

for me Capello should be replaced, ideally for me by Roy Hodgson and England need to start a complete fresh. Away from the shackles of the big time charlies and underperforming players that have plagued the England team for the last 10 years.

As my post would suggest, I agree with every word.

[Alan Partridge]

Sorry but it's a goal kick that has travelled the length of the field, there is no way James can be expecting the ball to then be in his penalty area with no one touching it, so from a through ball where you can anticipate it happening and get a good starting position, suddenly that's on him and he has to make a judgement call. The centre halves should have dealt with it, both Terry who was in no mans land, then Upson who was bullied off it, then it's left James stranded.

I thought James was the only bright thing in the tournament to be frank. Had Capello played James in the first game, the chances are England win the group and don't face Germany. Another thing Capello got horribly wrong.

[Dirk Gently]

Sorry but it's a goal kick that has travelled the length of the field, there is no way James can be expecting the ball to then be in his penalty area with no one touching it, so from a through ball where you can anticipate it happening and get a good starting position, suddenly that's on him and he has to make a judgement call. The centre halves should have dealt with it, both Terry who was in no mans land, then Upson who was bullied off it, then it's left James stranded.

I thought James was the only bright thing in the tournament to be frank. Had Capello played James in the first game, the chances are England win the group and don't face Germany. Another thing Capello got horribly wrong.

Can't fault a word of that.

[Alan Partridge]

I find it a bit puzzling that the goalkeeper would even be looked at on that show, if it wasn't for James it's 4-1 at half time and start the car completely.

The system, the selections throughout the tournament and ultimately the performances from those selected on the field have just been horribly horribly wrong and awful.

The England team as it is now has run it's course and the next manager has to make big decisions. It's the end of the road for Gerrard, Lampard, sadly for James who at 39 now isn't going to be involved in the next squad, I don't think Glen Johnson should be picked, I think Barry shouldn't be involved again, nor Heskey, nor Wright Phillips, nor Joe Cole, nor any of the players that have been involved over any length of time. Simply not good enoug hover a significant period of time.

Massive changes needed.

[sandman]

England replace Capello and this whole process starts again and ends in the same way. He did try different formations in his early friendlies France comes to mind but they didn't work. The truth is that without the likes of Torres, Fabregas,Drogba etc 11 Englishmen cannot play anything other than 442 and Capello realised that early on.

England can sack Capello if they want but the same mistakes will keep being made regardless of who the manager is.