Luis Suarez - scumbag

[FiNeRaIn]

The fans didn't knowingly force their way into the ground.

What do you call jumping through the turnstyles or over some sides of the ground to get in without paying then?

[Bandini]

Sorry, that came out wrong. Any fans forcing their way into the ground (and no doubt there were some, in the circumstances) was irrelevant, because the total number of people in the Leppings Lane End at the time of the incident was below the End's capacity.

[Extended-Phenotype]

The fans didn't knowingly force their way into the ground.

What do you call jumping through the turnstyles or over some sides of the ground to get in without paying then?

I'd call that something which had little to do with Hillsborough, as pointed out clearly in the Taylor report.

[Rev Algenon Stickleback H]

Why would they not stop pushing?
Would the people dying in the front not be screaming and shouting? Would they not shout back to people behind: "STOP PUSHING"?

How can someone unable to fill their lungs with air scream and shout?

I don't understand why people continued to push on inwards, if they could hear desperate screams for help from the front.

Some fans are knobends, that's certainly true. The night before Hillsborough we were at Southend, and with the area in front of the exits gates full of people as the stewards wouldn't exit the gates, some Reading fans took the matter into their own hands and push the fans from the back, to try and force the doors open. The was certainly a pretty unpleasant crush at the front.

The thing is though, those at the back pushing wouldn't have felt much pressure at all. It's one of the odd things about crowded spaces that the force gets greatly increased for people against immoveable objects. For people squeezing against other people, the pressure is much less.

Also when the pressure gets to the state when people start losing their footing, then the force of their entire weight will be on the next person. Even though you are standing up, it's almost llike having multiple people on top of your. That's how the forces got strong enough to make the steel barriers give way.

[Victor Meldrew]

There it is. We know I'm right as Comonurz is clearly rattLOLed in this deb8. He has no response because he knows I'm right, so has resulted to personal insults.

It's all related back to the Suarez racism g8 - as liverpool don't accept the blame for anything.

There you go again,rattle,rattle,rattle,what a strange fetish.
Is there any point in your existence?
Do you ever add anything of note to any debate?
I know that you love generalisations so I would suggest that you are a typical Chelsea fan,i.e uncouth London loudmouth with very little between the ears.
Has Fwank gone yet?

[Hoop Blah]

Why would they not stop pushing?
Would the people dying in the front not be screaming and shouting? Would they not shout back to people behind: "STOP PUSHING"?

How can someone unable to fill their lungs with air scream and shout?

I don't understand why people continued to push on inwards, if they could hear desperate screams for help from the front.

Some fans are knobends, that's certainly true. The night before Hillsborough we were at Southend, and with the area in front of the exits gates full of people as the stewards wouldn't exit the gates, some Reading fans took the matter into their own hands and push the fans from the back, to try and force the doors open. The was certainly a pretty unpleasant crush at the front.

The thing is though, those at the back pushing wouldn't have felt much pressure at all. It's one of the odd things about crowded spaces that the force gets greatly increased for people against immoveable objects. For people squeezing against other people, the pressure is much less.

Also when the pressure gets to the state when people start losing their footing, then the force of their entire weight will be on the next person. Even though you are standing up, it's almost llike having multiple people on top of your. That's how the forces got strong enough to make the steel barriers give way.

Absolutely spot on Rev.

I remember a game at Dean Court not too many years later where we had another crush/surge on the way out. I was carried about twenty yards without evening having my feet on the ground and unable to get my arms out. It wasn't that dangerous really as I'm pretty sure the gates where already open and the terrace was just clearing too quickly, but those at the front may well have had a more uncomfortable passage out as I guess the gates weren't open initially.

Shouting up in such instances rarely has any effect.

[Hoop Blah]

You'll see 13-year olds on message boards spouting shit like "everyone at Heysel was just London snobs, nobody from Liverpool were there", I'm just sat there gobsmacked, what the hell do they know, they weren't even born, and what the hell kind of lame excusemaking is that shit.

How old are you Ideal? I always get the impression you're somewhere in your 20's, so equally qualified to have an opinion really.

What the hell, cmonurz you don't reply to anything in my post, and strawman something about Chelsea fans.
I've said nothing about Chelsea fans, and I could care less, as far as I'm concerned they are also gloryhunting kids.

Can you please explain why it is acceptable for liverpool fans to claim that only people from London were responsible for Heysel?

I've never heard of that as a theory to explain away that one. Are you just making it up or just repeating something you've read a random 13 year old or two post on the web somewhere? I really don't think it's a valid opinion worth discussing to be honest.

[Hoop Blah]

So Liverpool fans at Heysel didn't storm towards the Juve fans causing the terracing to collapse killing 39 fans? Comourz, rewriting history.

By your logic around Hilsborough shouldn't you really be blaming the Italians for running away and ignoring the build up of events that contributed?

[Svlad Cjelli]

Why would they not stop pushing?
Would the people dying in the front not be screaming and shouting? Would they not shout back to people behind: "STOP PUSHING"?

How can someone unable to fill their lungs with air scream and shout?

I don't understand why people continued to push on inwards, if they could hear desperate screams for help from the front.

Some fans are knobends, that's certainly true. The night before Hillsborough we were at Southend, and with the area in front of the exits gates full of people as the stewards wouldn't exit the gates, some Reading fans took the matter into their own hands and push the fans from the back, to try and force the doors open. The was certainly a pretty unpleasant crush at the front.

The thing is though, those at the back pushing wouldn't have felt much pressure at all. It's one of the odd things about crowded spaces that the force gets greatly increased for people against immoveable objects. For people squeezing against other people, the pressure is much less.

Also when the pressure gets to the state when people start losing their footing, then the force of their entire weight will be on the next person. Even though you are standing up, it's almost llike having multiple people on top of your. That's how the forces got strong enough to make the steel barriers give way.

Absolutely correct - and the problem at Hillsborough was made much worse because each pen was at the end of a short tunnel - so all the people arriving were heading down the tunnel straight ahead of them instead of the tunnels to the other pens which were half empty (the signage was one of the major areas of criticism by Taylor). Once in the tunnel, the mass of people behind stopped anyone going back.

[No Fixed Abode]

More hypocrisy from Liverpool. One minute they're supporting racism, now they say they're doing all they can to help the police catch the racist fan(s) from the Kop End last night. Incidentally, where was Suarez sitting last night?

[sandman]

Should have let them into hospitality like Chelsea do for their racist fans.

[RoyalJames101]

More hypocrisy from Liverpool. One minute they're supporting racism, now they say they're doing all they can to help the police catch the racist fan(s) from the Kop End last night. Incidentally, where was Suarez sitting last night?

The back of the sun today had the story about the racism, with a picture of Suarez at the game last night smiling with his thumb up. Woops.

[John Madejski's Wallet]

As a kid I remember a crush in the Tilehurst end (early-mid 1980s). The cops were smacking the hands of those trying to climb the fence at the front to avoid it .

In the end they realised what was happening, and allowed the crowd to pass out their kids (but left eh crowd rammed in)....... us kids all got to sit along the touchline for the rest of the game

[cmonurz]

More hypocrisy from Liverpool. One minute they're supporting racism, now they say they're doing all they can to help the police catch the racist fan(s) from the Kop End last night. Incidentally, where was Suarez sitting last night?

The back of the sun today had the story about the racism, with a picture of Suarez at the game last night smiling with his thumb up. Woops.

That's pretty despicable journalism tbh. Still, Baines insists Suarez has not been labelled a racist, so that's alright.

[Avon Royal]

Should have let them into hospitality like Chelsea do for their racist fans.

Or captain the team.

[FiNeRaIn]

The back of the sun today had the story about the racism, with a picture of Suarez at the game last night smiling with his thumb up. Woops.

Utterly pathetic journalism. Thats actually trying to manipulate the public into demonising him. The media in this country are utter, utter scum.

He's clearly made a mistake, a bad one. I don't particularly like him but hes going to get an 8 match ban and it should be over with everyone moving on. Instead we have this media with their own agendas trying to portray people as evil villains smiling like he's proud or something. c**ts

[Jerry St Clair]

These mistakes were not malicious or intended and neither were the actions of fellow fans who crushed their own spporters by forcing in.

This statement is factually incorrect and, frankly, offensive. Retract it.

[No Fixed Abode]

Should have let them into hospitality like Chelsea do for their racist fans.

A typical response from a Liverpool fan.

[sandman]

Yeah, ok. C'mon Lollerpool.

[Bandini]

More hypocrisy from Liverpool. One minute they're supporting racism, now they say they're doing all they can to help the police catch the racist fan(s) from the Kop End last night. Incidentally, where was Suarez sitting last night?

The back of the sun today had the story about the racism, with a picture of Suarez at the game last night smiling with his thumb up. Woops.

That's pretty despicable journalism tbh. Still, Baines insists Suarez has not been labelled a racist, so that's alright.

I said that he hadn't been labelled a racist by the independent panel, which has the virtue of being correct.