play-offs?

[NR_Royal]

Quote from QPR forum:

"Hate to say it, but they have a stronger looking squad than us, and have underperformed this season. They would be in the play-offs at least if it wasn't for Rodgers."

[PEARCEY]

Quote from QPR forum:

"Hate to say it, but they have a stronger looking squad than us, and have underperformed this season. They would be in the play-offs at least if it wasn't for Rodgers."

This does appear to be true. We have had to play catch-up and may still make the play-offs but its taken 24 points out of 27 just to get us to 14th.
However Rodgers does deserve some credit for good signings made although why Mills was never played is beyond me.

[Arch]

After a scrappy, ill-humoured narrow win tonight, this could be a good time to finally be getting on the road and away from the criticial eye of the home crowd. A win over Boro and we're ahead of them with two games in hand. I quite fancy us for seventh at the moment.

[Wimb]

Quote from QPR forum:

"Hate to say it, but they have a stronger looking squad than us, and have underperformed this season. They would be in the play-offs at least if it wasn't for Rodgers."

This does appear to be true. We have had to play catch-up and may still make the play-offs but its taken 24 points out of 27 just to get us to 14th.
However Rodgers does deserve some credit for good signings made although why Mills was never played is beyond me.

At the risk of once again getting shelled.... I still doubt we'd have been THAT much better off if Maccy D had been in charge from day 1. Almost certainly we would have a few more points on the board (presuming he brought the same players in and sold the same ones) but he would still have been dealing with young players with very limited experience on Day 1 as well as new signings who had never played together.

That being said it would only take 4-6 more points, something Maccy D could easily have achieved and we'd very much be in the thick of it

[wolsey]

Quote from QPR forum:

"Hate to say it, but they have a stronger looking squad than us, and have underperformed this season. They would be in the play-offs at least if it wasn't for Rodgers."

This does appear to be true. We have had to play catch-up and may still make the play-offs but its taken 24 points out of 27 just to get us to 14th.
However Rodgers does deserve some credit for good signings made although why Mills was never played is beyond me.

At the risk of once again getting shelled.... I still doubt we'd have been THAT much better off if Maccy D had been in charge from day 1. Almost certainly we would have a few more points on the board (presuming he brought the same players in and sold the same ones) but he would still have been dealing with young players with very limited experience on Day 1 as well as new signings who had never played together.

That being said it would only take 4-6 more points, something Maccy D could easily have achieved and we'd very much be in the thick of it

McDermott would never have flooded the team with so much inexperience at any part of the season (let alone the start) - nor would he have built up individuals to ridiculous heights just to knock them down/ leave them out of the team with such indecent haste.

Plus don't forget that according to Rodgers the first five league games were his pre-season - I'm not sure the current Manager would have taken that approach - regardless of the turmoil that happened before. (perhaps we can appeal to the League for a points increase)

Oh and how points did we lose because of a lack of fitness and lack of fight? How games under Rodgers did we look like winning (let alone actually win) when we went a goal gown in the second half?

[Franchise FC]

Oh and how points did we lose because of a lack of fitness and lack of fight? How games under Rodgers did we look like winning (let alone actually win) when we went a goal gown in the second half?

How many games have we won under BMcD when we've gone behind ?

[wolsey]

Oh and how points did we lose because of a lack of fitness and lack of fight? How games under Rodgers did we look like winning (let alone actually win) when we went a goal gown in the second half?

How many games have we won under BMcD when we've gone behind ?

Off the top of my head two (Liverpool and West Brom)

Your turn - How many points did we lose under Rodgers in games where we were leading?

(16 btw - according to football365)

[Wimb]

McDermott would never have flooded the team with so much inexperience at any part of the season (let alone the start) - nor would he have built up individuals to ridiculous heights just to knock them down/ leave them out of the team with such indecent haste.

Plus don't forget that according to Rodgers the first five league games were his pre-season - I'm not sure the current Manager would have taken that approach - regardless of the turmoil that happened before. (perhaps we can appeal to the League for a points increase)

Oh and how points did we lose because of a lack of fitness and lack of fight? How games under Rodgers did we look like winning (let alone actually win) when we went a goal gown in the second half?

You are very probably right, but then would McDermott have bought Mills, would he have bought someone else not as good? (probably no as he scouted Mills but you see my point )

He's obviously a better man manager but his hands would have been tied in the transfer market just as Rodgers was until he sold Bikey, Shunt and Doyler/got Rosie/Harper off the books. That still means he would have had little time to put a squad together and get them playing his way. In the financial circumstances we were in its hard to see what other team he could have played then the one that played in those opening 5 games.

Admittedly though his way is much more of what they would have been used to with with him in the reserves and SSC et all.

As I said, McDermott would have gained a few extra points I have little doubt but I don't think it would have been THAT many more.

Oh and in terms of Liverpool and WBA, both were wins in ET, not really a fair comparison is it?

[wolsey]

McDermott would never have flooded the team with so much inexperience at any part of the season (let alone the start) - nor would he have built up individuals to ridiculous heights just to knock them down/ leave them out of the team with such indecent haste.

Plus don't forget that according to Rodgers the first five league games were his pre-season - I'm not sure the current Manager would have taken that approach - regardless of the turmoil that happened before. (perhaps we can appeal to the League for a points increase)

Oh and how points did we lose because of a lack of fitness and lack of fight? How games under Rodgers did we look like winning (let alone actually win) when we went a goal gown in the second half?

You are very probably right, but then would McDermott have bought Mills, would he have bought someone else not as good? (probably no as he scouted Mills but you see my point )

He's obviously a better man manager but his hands would have been tied in the transfer market just as Rodgers was until he sold Bikey, Shunt and Doyler/got Rosie/Harper off the books. That still means he would have had little time to put a squad together and get them playing his way. In the financial circumstances we were in its hard to see what other team he could have played then the one that played in those opening 5 games.

Admittedly though his way is much more of what they would have been used to with with him in the reserves and SSC et all.

As I said, McDermott would have gained a few extra points I have little doubt but I don't think it would have been THAT many more.

Oh and in terms of Liverpool and WBA, both were wins in ET, not really a fair comparison is it?

You've got a Snowball's chance in hell of getting me to rise to that one!

(Besides both were results of spirited and sustained fightbacks - you could add Bristol City away to that list)

[Franchise FC]

Oh and how points did we lose because of a lack of fitness and lack of fight? How games under Rodgers did we look like winning (let alone actually win) when we went a goal gown in the second half?

How many games have we won under BMcD when we've gone behind ?

Off the top of my head two (Liverpool and West Brom)

Your turn - How many points did we lose under Rodgers in games where we were leading?

(16 btw - according to football365)

OK - none in normal time, then.

Your turn

[Wimb]

lol ok I'll accept some will consider ET as fair play then and no arguments on the spirit and the great results, indeed very good comebacks and deserved results

following on Wolsey, I was just looking at where I think we've 'dropped' points this season under BR. Obviously it's totally subjective and I'm trying to factor in the form/strength of the teams when we played them and how I would have felt going into those games.

Notts F H (D) Fair
Newcastle - A(L) Fair
Swansea - A(D) Fair
Sheffield U H (L) 1 point dropped
Barnsley A (W) Fair
Doncaster H (D) 2 points dropped
Cardiff H (L) 1 point dropped
Peterborough A (L) 1 points dropped
Watford H (D) 2 points dropped
Preston A (W) fair
Boro H (L) 1 point dropped
WBA A (L) fair
QPR A (L) fair
Leicester H (L) 1 point dropped
Coventry A (W) fair
Ipswich H (D) 2 points dropped
Blackpool H (W) fair
Derby A (L) fair
Sheff Wed A (W) fair
Crystal P H (L) 1 point dropped
Scunthorpe H (D) 2 points dropped

Looking at that I think Rodgers dropped up to 14 points, which would now see us in 4th place.

Obviously that's just guesswork and we've probably nicked a couple of points elsewhere that we may not have done and also dropped points in games where we deserved to win. For example on paper we probably shouldn't have won at Preston but on the merit of the performance we should have beaten Leicester etc etc. Those games against the likes of Watford and Donny, that we failed to win then, are just the type of games Brian is winning now.

Evening it all out. I'd have suggested we should have been 8-9 points better off by the Scunthorpe game which would have us nestled just inside the playoff zone.

So a shame Rodgers couldn't eek out those extra points but if he'd been good enough to do so he would still be in a job.

[Stranded]

It's amazing how, even when they've recently been made to look utterly stupid, some people can't help carrying on with absolute pronouncements. Is everyone so desperate to draw attention to themselves?

We probably won't be getting into the playoffs.

Just a bit of reverse fate-tempting, grumpy.

And in any case, I wish people would focus on the fact that we are closer to the drop than promotion. I recall a few wins in March of 2008 and the likes of Andrew1957 crowing against the nay sayers. Now that was utterly stupid.

So now that we are closer to the play-offs than relegation do we start looking up rather than down

[JC]

lol ok I'll accept some will consider ET as fair play then and no arguments on the spirit and the great results, indeed very good comebacks and deserved results

following on Wolsey, I was just looking at where I think we've 'dropped' points this season under BR. Obviously it's totally subjective and I'm trying to factor in the form/strength of the teams when we played them and how I would have felt going into those games.

Notts F H (D) Fair
Newcastle - A(L) Fair
Swansea - A(D) Fair
Sheffield U H (L) 1 point dropped
Barnsley A (W) Fair
Doncaster H (D) 2 points dropped
Cardiff H (L) 1 point dropped
Peterborough A (L) 1 points dropped
Watford H (D) 2 points dropped
Preston A (W) fair
Boro H (L) 1 point dropped
WBA A (L) fair
QPR A (L) fair
Leicester H (L) 1 point dropped
Coventry A (W) fair
Ipswich H (D) 2 points dropped
Blackpool H (W) fair
Derby A (L) fair
Sheff Wed A (W) fair
Crystal P H (L) 1 point dropped
Scunthorpe H (D) 2 points dropped

Looking at that I think Rodgers dropped up to 14 points, which would now see us in 4th place.

Obviously that's just guesswork and we've probably nicked a couple of points elsewhere that we may not have done and also dropped points in games where we deserved to win. For example on paper we probably shouldn't have won at Preston but on the merit of the performance we should have beaten Leicester etc etc. Those games against the likes of Watford and Donny, that we failed to win then, are just the type of games Brian is winning now.

Evening it all out. I'd have suggested we should have been 8-9 points better off by the Scunthorpe game which would have us nestled just inside the playoff zone.

So a shame Rodgers couldn't eek out those extra points but if he'd been good enough to do so he would still be in a job.

I think Peterborough should be 3 points dropped. 2-0 up at half time and cruising and then threw it all away

[Royal We]

I just don't see how anyone can be thinking of the play offs when our form is dropping like a stone. Against Sheff W we scored 5, against Derby only 4, Brizzle even fewer (i.e 2) and last night only 1. Play offs = pie in the sky.

[andrew1957]

Last nights results were very bad for our play off attempt. Both Leicester and Cardiff won potentially difficult away games. I think Leicester are out of reach so unless Cardiff implode again or go into administration, I fear we may have to settle for 7th place.

[leww_rfc]

I just don't see how anyone can be thinking of the play offs when our form is dropping like a stone. Against Sheff W we scored 5, against Derby only 4, Brizzle even fewer (i.e 2) and last night only 1. Play offs = pie in the sky.

A wins a Win, and to say "only 4" is stupid, the teams have got harder.

[Wimb]

I think Peterborough should be 3 points dropped. 2-0 up at half time and cruising and then threw it all away

Yeah but before the game if you had been offered a draw you'd probably have taken it. Trying to base those on how I felt going into the games rather then how they panned out etc but yes even then you could argue its an away game we could win.

[MmmMonsterMunch]

I just don't see how anyone can be thinking of the play offs when our form is dropping like a stone. Against Sheff W we scored 5, against Derby only 4, Brizzle even fewer (i.e 2) and last night only 1. Play offs = pie in the sky.

A wins a Win, and to say "only 4" is stupid, the teams have got harder.

I think you've missed the joke there.....

To even think of play-offs we need to take points off teams also going for play-offs. Need to beat Boro & Cardiff plus we'll need another 5 wins on top of that to get 70 pts. Need to win minimum 7 from 11. No harm in aiming high but think it'l be just out of our reach.

A top half finish however would be incredible given where we were at Xmas.

[MmmMonsterMunch]

Sorry - even 7 wins would only give us 68 pts. Just can't see us getting 7 wins, 2 draws & only 2 defeats from the next 11 games to achieve 70pts. Even that might not be enough anyway....

[PEARCEY]

Last nights results were very bad for our play off attempt. Both Leicester and Cardiff won potentially difficult away games. I think Leicester are out of reach so unless Cardiff implode again or go into administration, I fear we may have to settle for 7th place.

Yes. i expected Cardiff to drop points last night. They didn't and despite our win our chances of the play-offs receded a little bit