Griffin to sign

[Wycombe Royal]

Completely agree. Jem is one hell of player and is highly underrated IMO. He's got bundles of energy, likes to get forward and he's quite creative for a box to box midfielder. He also showed against liverpool that he's capable of playing against some good prem players. I hope he plays more games this season in place of howard, otherwise he'll be off to get first team football.

It's just a shame that his passing and shooting is woeful. All the other attributes of a very good box-to-box midfielder are there.

His passing isn't woeful, in some games it's been excellent, there have been a couple of games where his passing has been misplaced but they are few and far between, in think you're being a bit harsh on Jem.

Sorry but his passing is not Championship standard. I criticised him a few times this season and people on here jut kept defending him so I made a point of watching him more closely in matches to see if I was missing something. It just confirmed I wasn't.

He was superb at winning the ball from the opposition and breaking down moves, but unfortunately his next move was quite often to give the ball straight back to them with a misplaced pass. I'm glad that McD moved Howard into Karacan's position when he got injured and Howard has kept that place ever since.

[Ian Royal]

His passing is perfectly good enough.

It's the decision making about which pass to use that can be the problem for me. Too many lofted aimless balls. Yes there are certainly some other loose passes in there. But everyone has that.

He can pass very well, it's making sure he stays sharp and makes the right choices. If he couldn't make good quality passes then there would be a genuine concern, but he can.

[Wycombe Royal]

You must be blind. I remember one match specifically where he wasmisplacing nearly every pass even if it was only about 5 yeards in length. Eventually he got substituted.

Howard is far superior in terms of what he brings to the team and his selection ahead of Karacan is fully justified (same goes for Tabb).

[ZacNaloen]

Karacan is inconsistent, I've seen him play games where he barely gave it away and others where he gave away everyball.

His issue seems to be that he tries to do everything a little too quick, if he wants to play that quick he needs to have his next pass in his head before he receives the ball. He doesn't always seem to.

I suspect he just needs more games.

[Ian Royal]

You must be blind. I remember one match specifically where he wasmisplacing nearly every pass even if it was only about 5 yeards in length. Eventually he got substituted.

Howard is far superior in terms of what he brings to the team and his selection ahead of Karacan is fully justified (same goes for Tabb).

Howard is a pointless discussion as they fullfill very different roles IMO. I wouldn't want Karacan doing what Howard does, although I could live with Howard doing what Karacan does just about. Tabb is a fair comparison and is a better option. But then as back up Karacan is perfectly acceptable.

I never said he hadn't had bad games. He has also had superb games. Liverpool for example. Lots of nice passing there.

[brendywendy]

You must be blind. I remember one match specifically where he wasmisplacing nearly every pass even if it was only about 5 yeards in length. Eventually he got substituted.

Howard is far superior in terms of what he brings to the team and his selection ahead of Karacan is fully justified (same goes for Tabb).

young player in not playing like sidwell every week "shocker"

[Wycombe Royal]

You must be blind. I remember one match specifically where he wasmisplacing nearly every pass even if it was only about 5 yeards in length. Eventually he got substituted.

Howard is far superior in terms of what he brings to the team and his selection ahead of Karacan is fully justified (same goes for Tabb).

young player in not playing like sidwell every week "shocker"

Why compare him to Sidwell? Did I mention him at all? The only thing I am criticising is his passing. Improve that and he could be a top player.

It amazes me that you have someone like John Oster whose passing at times was superb but did put a few astray and he is slated every game, yet you have someone like Karacan whose passing is infinitely worse than Oster's and he is loved just because he appears put a lot of effort in. Fans love a tryer I suppose.......

[Ian Royal]

infinitely.

[Smoking Kills Dancing Doe]

Don't think that deserves an eye roll.

Oster's gone on to show what a player he is at Donny. Saw him a few times live and on DVD and he really does run the show up there.

Jem should come good, he needs to work on the rough edges and Wycombe's right, his passing at times can be woeful, but I also think others are right when they say it his decision making rather than technique that lets him down. WIth hindsight that was Kebe's problem too.

Anyways when is Griffin signing or has JM stolen the war chest again?

[BR2]

Agree with Wycombe and Zac that Jem is always a bit frantic-whether you can coach a player to be more considered and for him not to lose what he is good at I'm not sure.
McGhee managed to get Steve Richardson to pass the ball so I suppose anything is possible.

As for Jem being young and we shouldn't compare him with Sidwell according to one poster-isn't he about the same age as Sidwell was when he came here?

[W&E Royal]

Sidwell couldn't pass to save his life, that's why he's struggling so much at the top level. I think Jem is better than Sidders at the same age.

[Smoking Kills Dancing Doe]

Erm.....

[Wycombe Royal]

Sidwell couldn't pass to save his life, that's why he's struggling so much at the top level. I think Jem is better than Sidders at the same age.

[Focher]

Sidwell couldn't pass to save his life, that's why he's struggling so much at the top level. I think Jem is better than Sidders at the same age.

[URZZZZZZZZ]

Sidwell couldn't pass to save his life, that's why he's struggling so much at the top level.

No

I think Jem is better than Sidders at the same age.

Perhaps

[Matt de K]

Sidwell couldn't pass to save his life, that's why he's struggling so much at the top level. I think Jem is better than Sidders at the same age.

Double

What a ridiculous statement

[Wycombe Royal]

I think Jem is better than Sidders at the same age.

Perhaps

The saeson when Sidwell was the same age as Karacan was this season he played the full season for us in the Championship scoring 9 goals (8 in the league).

So I don't see any way in which that statement is true, even "perhaps".

[Ian Royal]

Don't think that deserves an eye roll.

Oster's gone on to show what a player he is at Donny. Saw him a few times live and on DVD and he really does run the show up there.

Jem should come good, he needs to work on the rough edges and Wycombe's right, his passing at times can be woeful, but I also think others are right when they say it his decision making rather than technique that lets him down. WIth hindsight that was Kebe's problem too.

Anyways when is Griffin signing or has JM stolen the war chest again?

Oster's decision making with us was also largely very poor. He's a better attacking passer for sure. But then he's an attacking player... and infinitely? I don't think so.

Anyway, not that any of this is very interesting, but there's sweet FA all else to talk about.

[Ian Royal]

Definitely joining in with the lols on that last one from W&E by the way.

[Wycombe Royal]

Don't think that deserves an eye roll.

Oster's gone on to show what a player he is at Donny. Saw him a few times live and on DVD and he really does run the show up there.

Jem should come good, he needs to work on the rough edges and Wycombe's right, his passing at times can be woeful, but I also think others are right when they say it his decision making rather than technique that lets him down. WIth hindsight that was Kebe's problem too.

Anyways when is Griffin signing or has JM stolen the war chest again?

Oster's decision making with us was also largely very poor. He's a better attacking passer for sure. But then he's an attacking player... and infinitely? I don't think so.

Anyway, not that any of this is very interesting, but there's sweet FA all else to talk about.

Maybe "infinitely" was over stating a bit but he passing ability a lot better than Karacan's. But my point was more about people criticising a player with obvious talent whereas one who puts in a lot of effort seems to be above criticism......