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Re: Cheer up Hob Nob!

by Schards#2 » 12 Feb 2011 19:56

floyd__streete Scunny and Preston both lose and Sheff U pick up only a point on us, we're well clear of the drop zone. In all honesty, can you really expect any more than survival given the players we have sold over the last few seasons? :|

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Re: Cheer up Hob Nob!

by Libertine » 12 Feb 2011 20:03

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Libertine Yeah, I guess...

But, geez, we were sitting right there. All it would have taken, in my very subjective opinion, is picking up that one piece we needed. And, imho, it could have been done without breaking the bank. I'm not saying it, "it" being getting promoted, isn't a possibility still for this season but the last 3 results have made the task exponentially more difficult. We need to take 7 out of every 9 points for the rest of the year?

We have a solid squad with some promising young talent, but I worry. Results drive attendance. Lack of results result in lower attendance and decreased revenues requiring the team to sell off more players as they develop in the future. We don't seem to be buyers recently. I think barring a complete collapse we need not worry about the bottom of the table this year though. But which direction are we heading in the long term? I know the history of the team, where we came from, and the realities of football but I think it is dangerous to believe that we will be staying at even this level, as some do, no matter what happens. I see other teams with the ambition to move up, and are doing so, while our ambition seems to be to maintain where we are...and, again imho, clubs not trying to move forward inevitably, at some point, go backwards.

And so do most of the clubs who try moving forward in the way you would advocate! Nothing is more inevitable than that.

The club does have ambitions beyond staying in this division and is doing everything it can to achieve them.

No 1 on the list is to achieve a degree of financial independence and security that will assure (as far as is possible) a long-term future for the club.

No 2 is to play at the highest level of the game.

I believe we have those the right way round. Many other clubs (and fans) look at it differently.


In response to the first sentence of your reply...are the fake hoops, the bluebirds or the canaries going backwards? All of them are actively trying to move forward and appear that they are.

I in no way, shape or form advocate spending like a drunken sailor to try to achieve that goal. I agree that is the wrong tact. But some spending, other than prospects for the future, when the chance for promotion presents itself is warranted. Though I can understand how some might disagree.

The only way we will "achieve a degree of financial indpendence" is to put fannies in the seats. The only way to put fannies in the seats is to get results. Endlessly having to sell off your best players won't produce the goal of those desired results.

In short I agree with you that developing talent rather than reckless spending is the way to go. But not all spending is reckless and when presented with a real opportunity for promotion a bit of spending is good business and warranted.
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Re: Cheer up Hob Nob!

by Libertine » 12 Feb 2011 20:04

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Libertine Yeah, I guess...

But, geez, we were sitting right there. All it would have taken, in my very subjective opinion, is picking up that one piece we needed. And, imho, it could have been done without breaking the bank. I'm not saying it, "it" being getting promoted, isn't a possibility still for this season but the last 3 results have made the task exponentially more difficult. We need to take 7 out of every 9 points for the rest of the year?

We have a solid squad with some promising young talent, but I worry. Results drive attendance. Lack of results result in lower attendance and decreased revenues requiring the team to sell off more players as they develop in the future. We don't seem to be buyers recently. I think barring a complete collapse we need not worry about the bottom of the table this year though. But which direction are we heading in the long term? I know the history of the team, where we came from, and the realities of football but I think it is dangerous to believe that we will be staying at even this level, as some do, no matter what happens. I see other teams with the ambition to move up, and are doing so, while our ambition seems to be to maintain where we are...and, again imho, clubs not trying to move forward inevitably, at some point, go backwards.


You're wrong.


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Re: Cheer up Hob Nob!

by Harpers So Solid Crew » 12 Feb 2011 20:04

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floyd__streete Scunny and Preston both lose and Sheff U pick up only a point on us, we're well clear of the drop zone. In all honesty, can you really expect any more than survival given the players we have sold over the last few seasons? :|

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Re: Cheer up Hob Nob!

by Rev Algenon Stickleback H » 12 Feb 2011 23:28

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In response to the first sentence of your reply...are the fake hoops, the bluebirds or the canaries going backwards? All of them are actively trying to move forward and appear that they are.

I in no way, shape or form advocate spending like a drunken sailor to try to achieve that goal.

Then why mention either club?

The only way we will "achieve a degree of financial indpendence" is to put fannies in the seats.


At least it'd give fans something to do during the less interesting games.


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Re: Cheer up Hob Nob!

by leon » 13 Feb 2011 00:09

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AthleticoSpizz 2 more points than Blackpool had, this time last year


BM is no Holloway tho.


indeed - he's not a massive, publicity seeking twat

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by AthleticoSpizz » 13 Feb 2011 00:12

but he's a Premier massive publicity seeking twat.......made for life

But we still have 2 more points than he had this time last season...................Champions League here we come......... :arrow:

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by leon » 13 Feb 2011 00:18

AthleticoSpizz but he's a Premier massive publicity seeking twat.......made for life

But we still have 2 more points than he had this time last season...................Champions League here we come......... :arrow:


Well, he spends 2-3 seasons maximum at any club so he'll probably be at Brentford next week. But, good point, in this league a serious surge can get you up. Do you think we've got it in us?

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by AthleticoSpizz » 13 Feb 2011 00:25

personally...no

But Blackpool fans were staring relegation down their own throats at the start of last season.....this time last season promotion was still beyond their wildest dreams.............and the Premier welcomed them..


....with TV induced miserable critisism for not having undersoil heating


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by Wimb » 13 Feb 2011 00:28

AthleticoSpizz personally...no

But Blackpool fans were staring relegation down their own throats at the start of last season.....this time last season promotion was still beyond their wildest dreams.............and the Premier welcomed them..


....with TV induced miserable critisism for not having undersoil heating


And 10 years ago we were beaten to promotion by Rotherham and Walsall

Who do you think has the better long term prospects, Blackpool or Reading.

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Re: Cheer up Hob Nob!

by AthleticoSpizz » 13 Feb 2011 00:35

well Reading of course...but then,.... we were only verbally upstaging their points haul of last season


not comparing clubs :roll: :arrow:

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Re: Cheer up Hob Nob!

by leon » 13 Feb 2011 00:41

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AthleticoSpizz personally...no

But Blackpool fans were staring relegation down their own throats at the start of last season.....this time last season promotion was still beyond their wildest dreams.............and the Premier welcomed them..


....with TV induced miserable critisism for not having undersoil heating


And 10 years ago we were beaten to promotion by Rotherham and Walsall

Who do you think has the better long term prospects, Blackpool or Reading.


same here...but who knows this could be the equivalent of the 2004/05 season that petered out...only for us top buy an Icelander and an unknown Irish boy.

i would say we had the best long term prospects - however Blackpool aren't the team we should be comparing ourselves to. They'll be in division one in 3 years (and Holloway will have done 2 jobs during that time) Then again so will we probably.

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by FiNeRaIn » 13 Feb 2011 00:48

AthleticoSpizz well Reading of course.


No, I'm sorry but its not really that obvious at all. They've got more history than us, are playing at a higher level than us and average crowds aren't that different at all. Reading are currently an average mid-table championship team who keep selling all their best players, that's not likely to change with this endless debt which has magically appeared from somewhere and doesn't seem to be going away.

I would say there would be a case for blackpool having a stronger future than us, because they aren't paying average players on a par with john terry which is what reading must have been doing to still be using prem wages as an excuse.
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Re: Cheer up Hob Nob!

by AthleticoSpizz » 13 Feb 2011 00:49

Coppell lamented about how his players got locked into the dressing rooms at the JJB after the game when Wigwam got promoted, the next season it was our turn.

His players learnt a lot that day

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Re: Cheer up Hob Nob!

by leon » 13 Feb 2011 00:54

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AthleticoSpizz well Reading of course.


No, I'm sorry but its not really that obvious at all. They've got more history than us, are playing at a higher level than us and average crowds aren't that different at all. Reading are currently an average mid-table championship team who keep selling all their best players, that's not likely to change with this endless debt which has magically appeared from somewhere and doesn't seem to be going away.


Yes it is, Blackpool have history - alas it's 60 years ago - and we've never had a rapist chairman (that I know of). We have the infrastructure, including an academy to support our future plans. So the answer is us.

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by AthleticoSpizz » 13 Feb 2011 00:55

Finerain

Blackpool are both a developing and selling club too (but for the messed up admin, Charlie Adam being their prime example) .

Their history is as you say, history

We will be trading league places one day soon

..just cannot commit my views to which league tho'

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Re: Cheer up Hob Nob!

by Wimb » 13 Feb 2011 01:11

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AthleticoSpizz well Reading of course.


No, I'm sorry but its not really that obvious at all. They've got more history than us, are playing at a higher level than us and average crowds aren't that different at all. Reading are currently an average mid-table championship team who keep selling all their best players, that's not likely to change with this endless debt which has magically appeared from somewhere and doesn't seem to be going away.

I would say there would be a case for blackpool having a stronger future than us, because they aren't paying average players on a par with john terry which is what reading must have been doing to still be using prem wages as an excuse.


lol a team that averaged about 8,000 last season you mean? :D

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Re: Cheer up Hob Nob!

by RoyalX » 13 Feb 2011 01:29

I can't believe anybody is seriously expecting us to compete in the transfer market with teams like Leicester City.

Eriksson, van Aanholt, Bruma, Naughton, Yakubu, Ricardo, Vassell are all ridiculously good for this level. They are being massively bankrolled by their Thai consortium. We aren't going to get that from Madjeski, you can argue whether or not we should be all day long, it's not going to happen.

I think anyone complaining with our current position/form really needs to take a look in the mirror. Did you really think we'd challenge for promotion? We should avoid relegation and have flirted with the play-offs, what more do you expect with the resources we have?

And with regards to losing players next season: we probably will lose some of our better players, but players come and players go. I don't think any transfer could be as heartbreaking as losing Gylfi, yet we have managed okay without him.

Lighten up! We have lost twice to two of the best sides in the league.

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Re: Cheer up Hob Nob!

by Rex » 13 Feb 2011 08:54

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AthleticoSpizz well Reading of course.


No, I'm sorry but its not really that obvious at all. They've got more history than us, are playing at a higher level than us and average crowds aren't that different at all. Reading are currently an average mid-table championship team who keep selling all their best players, that's not likely to change with this endless debt which has magically appeared from somewhere and doesn't seem to be going away.

I would say there would be a case for blackpool having a stronger future than us, because they aren't paying average players on a par with john terry which is what reading must have been doing to still be using prem wages as an excuse.


lol a team that averaged about 8,000 last season you mean? :D


Sold out their stand availability though and with a crud away stand, not much else could have been expected.

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Re: Cheer up Hob Nob!

by under the tin » 13 Feb 2011 09:34

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Results drive attendance. Lack of results result in lower attendance and decreased revenues requiring the team to sell off more players as they develop in the future. But which direction are we heading in the long term? I know the history of the team, where we came from, and the realities of football but I think it is dangerous to believe that we will be staying at even this level, as some do, no matter what happens. I see other teams with the ambition to move up, and are doing so, while our ambition seems to be to maintain where we are.
The only way we will "achieve a degree of financial indpendence" is to put fannies in the seats.
The only way to put fannies in the seats is to get results. Endlessly having to sell off your best players won't produce the goal of those desired results.


It's nice to see someone else who can see the obvious flaws with the business model.
There is more than one way for a club to go under.
Sure, any business that is losing money has to keep a very tight control on its costs: but at the same time it must continue to at least maintain its revenue streams. If they don't, then you get into a downward spiral of cost cutting, which will ultimately affect the quality of the product you are trying to sell.
I'm sure that the club is indeed doing all it can to remain truly competitive at this level. The 64000 dollar question is whether that will prove to be enough. Next season will mirror this one in that there will be resurgent clubs coming up from League 1, and big clubs with big parachute payments coming down from the Prem. I fully expect to see all these clubs elbowing their way past us in the League table.
You can laugh up your sleeve at Blackpool's attendances, but if we're not careful, we could wind up with about 8k in League 1.

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