Two Ian Harte assists today....

[Hoop Blah]

I didn't go so I can't comment on him having a brilliant game or not, I was just making a comment on the scenario you made in your post.

If he plays well enough he'll stay in. I'm just saying that him avoiding a bad game shouldn't be enough to keep Mills out if McDermott previously thought Mills was the better option...unless of course Snowball is right and the 'injury' is just a bit of a cover for being dropped.

[melonhead]

i dint go neever
but he is widely acknowledged as being very good, at least offensively, and definitely provided great crosses for two of our goals, and good corners in general

[TBM]

Harte left back - Mills left mid - McAnuff right mid

I haven't watched enough of either to make a sensible judgement, but if Harte is wanted in the team for his set pieces, but is occasionally/often a liability in defence because of his lack of pace, why would we want him at left back with Mills left midfield, rather than vice versa. I appreciate that that would mean that our left midfielder wouldn't be a winger, but it wouldn't really be so different to the Gilkes/Smillie partnership which often worked, and even when it didn't it was exciting to watch.

Cos Mills is quick and is more than capable of covering Harte - they can also always switch if things get a tad awkward for Harte

[winchester_royal]

For a man who bases his whole opinion around stats and facts, this is really rather LOLaughable Snowy.

I wouldn't be surprised if it's true though.

That doesn't give the rumour any sort of foundation though.

[CayeneMatt]

And another 2 against Peterborough.....

I'll probably get shot down for this (again), but give me Harte's accuracy over Mills speed any day (at the moment ). Except for the suicidal back pass that Sinclair got on to first half.

His corner delivery makes Mills and Jobi's look playground standard, and as for the ball out on the touchline that swung in to the back post leading to ALF's goal.....

[John Madejski's Wallet]

And another 2 against Peterborough.....

I'll probably get shot down for this (again), but give me Harte's accuracy over Mills speed any day (at the moment ). Except for the suicidal back pass that Sinclair got on to first half.

His corner delivery makes Mills and Jobi's look playground standard, and as for the ball out on the touchline that swung in to the back post leading to ALF's goal.....

Cost us repeatedly at the back and his short passing was woeful.

Would really like to play Mills on the wing in front of Harte tbf. He's got the pace to get back and cover for Harte and has good feet going forward

[CayeneMatt]

Thats complete bollox.

Aside from the pass straight to Sinclair, he did nothing else wrong. To say he cost us repeatedly at the back is the same old shit being churned out without foundation. Agree at the beginning of the season, not tonight. And his short passing was in a different league tonight to anything Mills has done this season.

Knock Harte for his lack of pace, fair enough, but you can't fault him for his performances in the last 2 games.

[John Madejski's Wallet]

Thats complete bollox.

Aside from the pass straight to Sinclair, he did nothing else wrong. To say he cost us repeatedly at the back is the same old shit being churned out without foundation. Agree at the beginning of the season, not tonight. And his short passing was in a different league tonight to anything Mills has done this season.

Knock Harte for his lack of pace, fair enough, but you can't fault him for his performances in the last 2 games.

Sorry, thought his passing was woeful tonight. Crossing for goals/corners etc..... brilliant.

But he repeatedly played short passes to opposition players, as well as some really quote rubbish short passes to players in positions where they shouldn't be receiving the ball. Skinned for pace a few times too

[Cypry]

Thats complete bollox.

Aside from the pass straight to Sinclair, he did nothing else wrong. To say he cost us repeatedly at the back is the same old shit being churned out without foundation. Agree at the beginning of the season, not tonight. And his short passing was in a different league tonight to anything Mills has done this season.

Knock Harte for his lack of pace, fair enough, but you can't fault him for his performances in the last 2 games.

Sorry, thought his passing was woeful tonight. Crossing for goals/corners etc..... brilliant.

But he repeatedly played short passes to opposition players, as well as some really quote rubbish short passes to players in positions where they shouldn't be receiving the ball. Skinned for pace a few times too

Don't know how anyone can moan about Hartes performance considering the shocker that Leigertwood had last night.
Harte struggled for pace on maybe one occasion, but Gorkss spotted the danger and covered well. Yes, Harte made some misplaced passes (name me a Reading player who didn't) but he also made two of our three goals....
Leigertwood, on the other hand, contributed almost nothing aside from poor, heavy first touches, and balls lost to 'Boro players - it's no coincidence that 'Boro dominated midfield....

[The Real Sandhurst Royal]

Left footed player and still make the pass of the game with a 50 yards cross field hit with the right to Kebe.

Not bad for someone who has not been in the team.

2 games two wins.

[Snowball]

Don't know how anyone can moan about Hartes performance considering the shocker that Leigertwood had last night.
Harte struggled for pace on maybe one occasion, but Gorkss spotted the danger and covered well. Yes, Harte made some misplaced passes (name me a Reading player who didn't) but he also made two of our three goals....
Leigertwood, on the other hand, contributed almost nothing aside from poor, heavy first touches, and balls lost to 'Boro players - it's no coincidence that 'Boro dominated midfield....

Is Elwood going to be injured then?

[Elmer Park]

I think if we asked someone without any preconceived ideas about Harte they would say last night his set piece delivery was very good, passing was OK and, aside from his clanger to set up Sinclair, he didn't do much wrong defensively. Overall play probably a 6/10 for most people with maybe some marking him up to 7/10 for his set piece contribution.

I think McDermott would have carried on playing Mills if he hadn't got injured but the injury has allowed him to see how we get on with the strengths and weaknesses of Harte back in the side. There is nothing sinister about Mills injury although if we hadn't had Harte to call on I have a feeling Mills might have played with an injection last night although we would still have had Griffin as another option. That doesn't mean I don't think Mills is injured though.

[melonhead]

And another 2 against Peterborough.....

I'll probably get shot down for this (again), but give me Harte's accuracy over Mills speed any day (at the moment ). Except for the suicidal back pass that Sinclair got on to first half.

His corner delivery makes Mills and Jobi's look playground standard, and as for the ball out on the touchline that swung in to the back post leading to ALF's goal.....

Cost us repeatedly at the back and his short passing was woeful.

Would really like to play Mills on the wing in front of Harte tbf. He's got the pace to get back and cover for Harte and has good feet going forward

creation was good, ill give him that


but he nearly cost us a 2nd goal in teh first 15 minutes when he inexplicably passed it to one of their players in the box instead of hoofing it out, and was repeatedly caught out of position, leaving pearce/gorkss to get dragged out to the wing, leaving massive gaps in our defence that harte was still struggling to get back and fill ten minutes later, and nearly leading to more goals.

i like him, and his dead ball, and general delivery into the box is great, but he tears our solid defence to ribbons every time he plays

[melonhead]

Thats complete bollox.

Aside from the pass straight to Sinclair, he did nothing else wrong. To say he cost us repeatedly at the back is the same old shit being churned out without foundation. Agree at the beginning of the season, not tonight. And his short passing was in a different league tonight to anything Mills has done this season.

Knock Harte for his lack of pace, fair enough, but you can't fault him for his performances in the last 2 games.

time and again the CB had to move out to cover the slowest man in the world, and when thet happens harte is supposed to get back in the middle, but is too slow to even manage that.
he gives us an extra dimension yes, but dont let that blind you to his obvious shortcomings

[Svlad Cjelli]

Don't know how anyone can moan about Hartes performance considering the shocker that Leigertwood had last night.
Harte struggled for pace on maybe one occasion, but Gorkss spotted the danger and covered well. Yes, Harte made some misplaced passes (name me a Reading player who didn't) but he also made two of our three goals....
Leigertwood, on the other hand, contributed almost nothing aside from poor, heavy first touches, and balls lost to 'Boro players - it's no coincidence that 'Boro dominated midfield....

I lost count of the number of anticipations and interceptions Leigertwood made last night. It's amazing how people see the game they want to in oprder to justify their preconceptions about players.

[melonhead]

ledge did ok,had an up and down game, and got much better later on, but was way off his best of last season/few weeks ago
imo

[Extended-Phenotype]

It’s funny this game. Sometimes someone’s hero is another’s villain. I thought Legs was more than decent. Missplaced some passes, but who didn’t? Otherwise he was all over people, pushing our team forward, got some decent shots on goal, threaded some passes into the box, and cut out players all over the pitch.

Karacan on the other hand was worse than hopeless. Every time he ran at an opponent he ran into or past them, never making any contact with the ball. He was constantly sat too deep giving acres of space for their midfielders to pick the right pass, and when he did get hold of the ball he gave it away immediately. I can see why Dermie subbed him.

Harte performance was like a summary of what we bang on about on here all the time. Alarm bells rang defensively, but had a hand in everything decent about our attack. We simply can’t ignore finding a plan for the man any longer, be it CB, DM, or my new preference: LW, with Mills behind him.

Other thoughts: HRK simply has to start, and please for the love of everything good in the world, somebody plant some pictures of McDermot’s wife in Church’s locker so he will stop picking the useless clown. ALF and Hunt are by far the best we have.

Shoot me down, here comes some unconvention…

----------------Feds-------------

Cums---Pearce---Gorks---Mills

----------------Legs-------Harte

Jobi-----------HRK---->---------

------------ALF---Hunt----------

or?

----------------Feds-------------

Cums---Pearce---Gorks---Mills

-----------Jem----Legs---Harte

McAnuff------------\/-----------

-----------ALF-----HRK-->------

[melonhead]

It’s funny this game. Sometimes someone’s hero is another’s villain. I thought Legs was more than decent. Missplaced some passes, but who didn’t? Otherwise he was all over people, pushing our team forward, got some decent shots on goal, threaded some passes into the box, and cut out players all over the pitch.

Karacan on the other hand was worse than hopeless. Every time he ran at an opponent he ran into or past them, never making any contact with the ball. He was constantly sat too deep giving acres of space for their midfielders to pick the right pass, and when he did get hold of the ball he gave it away immediately. I can see why Dermie subbed him.

Harte performance was like a summary of what we bang on about on here all the time. Alarm bells rang defensively, but had a hand in everything decent about our attack. We simply can’t ignore finding a plan for the man any longer, be it CB, DM, or my new preference: LW, with Mills behind him.

Other thoughts: HRK simply has to start, and please for the love of everything good in the world, somebody plant some pictures of McDermot’s wife in Church’s locker so he will stop picking the useless clown. ALF and Hunt are by far the best we have.

agree on karacan- tabb did more in the ten minutes he was on than i saw jem do all game, and i love the little turkish midget
HRKs goal yesterday was class, and hes a better option as a striker than church imo

id happily go with a midfield two of ledge and mcanuff, if we had mills and harte on the left wing
id even try HRK up front with lefondre who was class last night when he came on- changed the game with hhal.

[Svlad Cjelli]

ledge did ok,had an up and down game, and got much better later on, but was way off his best of last season/few weeks ago
imo

Don't forget that for the first hour he was the more attacking of the centre midfield, with Jem behind him - but when HRK came on and Jobi moved into that role he moved back into the defensive centre-mid role. So he has to be judeged in the two different roles.

[Extended-Phenotype]

id happily go with a midfield two of ledge and mcanuff, if we had mills and harte on the left wing
id even try HRK up front with lefondre who was class last night when he came on- changed the game with hhal.

Isn't that what I laid out above?