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Re: Back from the game - Burnley (H)

by SCIAG » 18 Feb 2012 21:34

floyd__streete Got to be well happy with that. A more enjoyable game than of late, I thought that Burnley played very well indeed and will be gutted at not getting a point.....but it is swings and roundabouts because the 0-1 loss to Hull (our last defeat) was unfortunate. Burnley played some good football, they are a handful up front and a clean sheet (thanks to the woodwork) and six points from them is great business.

Reading played to their strengths as usual. Roberts held the ball up well as usual, wingers were busy, Hunt covered a lot of ground with limited tangible result but the work rate was good. Back 5 outstanding; an outstanding save from Federici for the second game running, but otherwise Harte-Gorkss-Pearce-Connolly was excellent once again. Pearce MOTM for me - the lack of pace issue is bogus, if it was a reall issue we'd have Usain Bolt at centre-half. Pearce is an excellent defender at this level for his positional sense and his good decision making. Connolly looked less like a centre-half playing at right back tonight and Harte's delivery was consistently good again from set pieces.

All set for play-off failure for a 6th time then 8)

I agree with every word of this.

Much improved from Federici, kept the wonder saves but cut out the mistakes. Needs to work on his communication, particularly with four centre backs in his back line. At set pieces his six yard box was often crowded, making it difficult for him to claim the ball.

Ratings (feeling generous):
Feds 8- very good save low to one of the strikers.
Connolly 8- solid.
Pearce 8.5- probably MOTM. Another excellent display.
Gorkss 8.5- not quite as good as Pearce, and maybe should have done better for the chance that hit the bar, but still excellent.
Harte 8- he might be very slow, but his brain is quick enough to make up for it against most wingers.
Kebe 8.5- never looked like losing the ball. Only just shaded by Pearce for MOTM.
Legs and Karacan 7.5- industrious and increasingly ambitious with their passing. Neither of them had their best games but they still fulfilled their brief entirely.
McAnuff 7.5- worried their right back. Good delivery. Not as good as Kebe but who is?
Hunt 7- industrious but not very effective. Still, did his job. I'd rather Alfie was playing, but Hunt is getting results.
Roberts 7.5- held the ball up well, also surprisingly good at dribbling. Took his goal well.

Subs:
ALF- decent, but we were too defensive to give him a chance to shine (justifiably, I might add). Might well have had a goal had Hunt's pull back been good enough (Hunt did well to get in that position though).
HRK- as above really, possibly unlucky to be dropped.

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Re: Back from the game - Burnley (H)

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Re: Back from the game - Burnley (H)

by Big Ern » 19 Feb 2012 16:44

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Big Ern We certainly rode our luck duing periods of the game and it took the woodwork (twice) and an outstanding save from Feds to give us the 3 points.


Let's forget about Kebe's shot that was cleared off the line or that unbelievable clearance from Mee or Kebe's wild shot near the end, which may well have ben more accurate had the score been different.

Not to mention the fact that the bloke who hit the woodwork should have been sent off for his brutal tackle!!



3 decent chances each. Delighted at the result but only saying Burnley should feel unlucky not have come away with a point. Maybe you should take the RTG's off.

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Re: Back from the game - Burnley (H)

by Here for the KEBE » 19 Feb 2012 16:54

Terminal Boardom Well, where do I start? Thank oxf*rd I did not spunk £400 plus on a ST to watch that shit. For anyone out there who genuinely thinks Reading are the real deal then think again. What football that was played came from Burnley. Gorkss's positioning for Austin's header was not even Sunday League. Roberts took his only chance well but other than that...

Referee lost the plot in the second half. How Wallace stayed on the pitch is beyond me.

Hunt's ball across in stoppage time at the end of the game was a complete joke.

The back 4 apart from Pearce were a complete shambles. The midfield duo of Liegertwood and Karacan were passengers. Throughout the game there was absolutely no pressing or closing down of Burnley.

IMHO, a draw would have been a fair result.

And don't get me started on that fat lump in goal. WTF does Feds do? Where is the communication or dominance of the box?

I have seen far better non league games this season. That was shit!


Bit harsh but I kind of agree. This recent run has really got be thinking about what football is all about - for the fan who's all about results this is heaven, but for the fan who wants to be entertained by the FOOTball, this is dire. No doubt about it this is good for Reading but just say we did get promoted, would any fan look upon this season with fondness?! I am a fan who likes to be entertained so my preference would be for Reading to stay down this year, sort their playing style out as it is woeful, sign some new players with the money, then have a really enjoyable season next year. I really enjoyed the 2nd half of last season as we did play some good stuff but no word this is poor. But then what is the aim of football? Is it all about the result or is it about brilliant performances that last in the memory? I am up for the latter but I understand the thousands of fans who are jumping on the promotion bandwagon now and aren't even bothered about the performances

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Re: Back from the game - Burnley (H)

by philM » 19 Feb 2012 17:04

"thousands of fans who are jumping on the promotion bandwagon now and aren't even bothered about the performances"

When do you think these thousands of new people will start coming to games? It can't be much of a bandwagon if they all remain at home shut in their bedrooms for much longer.


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Re: Back from the game - Burnley (H)

by Cypry » 19 Feb 2012 17:12

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Terminal Boardom Well, where do I start? Thank oxf*rd I did not spunk £400 plus on a ST to watch that shit. For anyone out there who genuinely thinks Reading are the real deal then think again. What football that was played came from Burnley. Gorkss's positioning for Austin's header was not even Sunday League. Roberts took his only chance well but other than that...

Referee lost the plot in the second half. How Wallace stayed on the pitch is beyond me.

Hunt's ball across in stoppage time at the end of the game was a complete joke.

The back 4 apart from Pearce were a complete shambles. The midfield duo of Liegertwood and Karacan were passengers. Throughout the game there was absolutely no pressing or closing down of Burnley.

IMHO, a draw would have been a fair result.

And don't get me started on that fat lump in goal. WTF does Feds do? Where is the communication or dominance of the box?

I have seen far better non league games this season. That was shit!


Bit harsh but I kind of agree. This recent run has really got be thinking about what football is all about - for the fan who's all about results this is heaven, but for the fan who wants to be entertained by the FOOTball, this is dire. No doubt about it this is good for Reading but just say we did get promoted, would any fan look upon this season with fondness?! I am a fan who likes to be entertained so my preference would be for Reading to stay down this year, sort their playing style out as it is woeful, sign some new players with the money, then have a really enjoyable season next year. I really enjoyed the 2nd half of last season as we did play some good stuff but no word this is poor. But then what is the aim of football? Is it all about the result or is it about brilliant performances that last in the memory? I am up for the latter but I understand the thousands of fans who are jumping on the promotion bandwagon now and aren't even bothered about the performances


Thing is, like it or not, football is a business, so results will always come before entertainment. You want another year in the Championship, but the club will never progress that way. If we get promoted this season, then I'd expect to see SIGNIFICANT investment in the Summer, and then your wish may be granted, after all TSI will not only be looking for promotion, but the opportunity to consolidate that position as a "permanent" fixture in the top flight.
If not then we'll probably be looking at more of the same next year, with more "sensible" (i.e. cheap) signings in the Summer, after all if we'd picked up 6 or 7 more points in the first 6 games we'd be firmly in the top 2 at present....
Get a better start next year, with more or less the same players - that'll be the clubs thinking; it's the lowest risk strategy...

Personally, I'd rather see us playing effective, if unspectacular, football for the rest of the season, gain promotion, then be in a position to make significant progress in terms of pretty football next year....

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Re: Back from the game - Burnley (H)

by JC » 20 Feb 2012 09:41

I am getting a bit fed up with Howe. After the game he was saying that they were unlucky not to get anything out of the game. The subsequent concensus appears to be that we just shaded it.
Now he has moved on to claiming that it was a moral victory for them

http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sp ... ry_for_us/

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Re: Back from the game - Burnley (H)

by Maguire » 20 Feb 2012 10:17

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floyd__streete Got to be well happy with that. A more enjoyable game than of late, I thought that Burnley played very well indeed and will be gutted at not getting a point.....but it is swings and roundabouts because the 0-1 loss to Hull (our last defeat) was unfortunate. Burnley played some good football, they are a handful up front and a clean sheet (thanks to the woodwork) and six points from them is great business.

Reading played to their strengths as usual. Roberts held the ball up well as usual, wingers were busy, Hunt covered a lot of ground with limited tangible result but the work rate was good. Back 5 outstanding; an outstanding save from Federici for the second game running, but otherwise Harte-Gorkss-Pearce-Connolly was excellent once again. Pearce MOTM for me - the lack of pace issue is bogus, if it was a reall issue we'd have Usain Bolt at centre-half. Pearce is an excellent defender at this level for his positional sense and his good decision making. Connolly looked less like a centre-half playing at right back tonight and Harte's delivery was consistently good again from set pieces.

All set for play-off failure for a 6th time then 8)


Good post. Agree with all this apart from Harte's delivery. Apart from the great right footed cross in the first half (I think it was him, his right foot is actually really good) I thought the delivery was pretty poor - McAnuff's better.


I agree with everything floyd has written there, nice summary. Ian Harte's delivery is hands down the best at the club and we clearly miss it when he isn't in the side.

Pearce was excellent, I'd give him MOTM as well. Burnley were decent, possibly could've got something but tbh once they'd had their good 10mins at the start of the second half I thought the game was mainly about whether Reading would win 1-0 or 2-0.

We don't look that pretty but Reading are just a very hard side to beat these days, and with two excellent wingers always have a change going forward. Onwards.

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Re: Back from the game - Burnley (H)

by Alan Partridge » 20 Feb 2012 10:33

I also agree with Maguire.

It was the first RFC game I've been to this season where i actually enjoyed it, probably down to the opposition being half decent so there were 2 good teams having a go. Depends which side of the fence you sit in terms of whether you think reading deserved to win. I'd say they did just but if you were a Burnley fan like the Slough Clarets they'd be disappointed not getting a draw as they had 3 very good chances.

Could have gone either way but Reading like Mags says are very tough to beat, are in good form and got the break with the goal. Thought it was a decent game of football definitely better than the other 3 matches I've attended (Doncaster, Derby and Ipswich).

I also agree that Pearce was the stand out performer, Federici was very good and you can see his confidence is sky high, Harte also was very good. Kebe was the best player in the 1st half but went off the boil 2nd half but overall you've got to be very satisfied with the nights work. Good win against what I thought was a decent side.


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Re: Back from the game - Burnley (H)

by 79Royal » 20 Feb 2012 10:37

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Terminal Boardom Well, where do I start? Thank oxf*rd I did not spunk £400 plus on a ST to watch that shit. For anyone out there who genuinely thinks Reading are the real deal then think again. What football that was played came from Burnley. Gorkss's positioning for Austin's header was not even Sunday League. Roberts took his only chance well but other than that...

Referee lost the plot in the second half. How Wallace stayed on the pitch is beyond me.

Hunt's ball across in stoppage time at the end of the game was a complete joke.

The back 4 apart from Pearce were a complete shambles. The midfield duo of Liegertwood and Karacan were passengers. Throughout the game there was absolutely no pressing or closing down of Burnley.

IMHO, a draw would have been a fair result.

And don't get me started on that fat lump in goal. WTF does Feds do? Where is the communication or dominance of the box?

I have seen far better non league games this season. That was shit!


Bit harsh but I kind of agree. This recent run has really got be thinking about what football is all about - for the fan who's all about results this is heaven, but for the fan who wants to be entertained by the FOOTball, this is dire. No doubt about it this is good for Reading but just say we did get promoted, would any fan look upon this season with fondness?! I am a fan who likes to be entertained so my preference would be for Reading to stay down this year, sort their playing style out as it is woeful, sign some new players with the money, then have a really enjoyable season next year. I really enjoyed the 2nd half of last season as we did play some good stuff but no word this is poor. But then what is the aim of football? Is it all about the result or is it about brilliant performances that last in the memory? I am up for the latter but I understand the thousands of fans who are jumping on the promotion bandwagon now and aren't even bothered about the performances


Remember Leicester at home last season? They had loads of possession and did nothing with it, we hit them on the counter and won 3-0. Similar to the Burnley game. We should have scored more. If we had, I doubt you'd have written a post in that tone.

We've played better than that and lost this season, so McDermott is just trying to win games. It's what he's paid to do.

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Re: Back from the game - Burnley (H)

by Snowball » 20 Feb 2012 10:51

Here's a copy of the article.



BURNLEY’S loss at Reading was only the second time (out of two times) this season
that the Clarets have suffered home and away league defeats to a ruthlessly-efficient
Reading side, but Eddie Howe classed it as a “moral victory”.

The 24-year-old took positives from seeing his side dominate possession with an
incredibly high 53% by playing the ball around at the back instead of getting it
into the opponent's last third.

What's more said the 14-year-old Howe, Burnley totally dominated on half-and-quarter chances too,
shooting wildly from 20-40 yards out to up the stats, so much so that Federici made one whole save
of any note. Meanwhile it is totally unreasonable to note that Reading had 6 ON TARGET shots
to Burnley's 4. These are mere details. Burnley had the nicer-looking kit and huffed better.


The 4 year-old Howe added, "Did you see us carving the Royals’ defence open hundreds of times (3)
with our incredible Barcelona-style passing football, but without the (irrelevant) goals to show for it.

Reading didn't have a chance all game. They didn't nearly score from a Harte free-kick, didn't almost score
from the Roberts follow-up, didn't almost score from Hunt, but for an incredibly brave stoppage by Mee.

Nor was our keeper beaten by a clever header from the very poor loose-socked winger Kebe, but a defender
got back to clear. This did not happen.

What also did not happen were the two close-in shots in quick succession from one yard out by Gorkss, that
QPR reject and Leigertwood (another player not wanted by QPR) and there wasn't actually a goal-mouth scramble,
it was just a heated discussion between various players about Shane Long's guitar skills.

And with ten minutes to go, it simply did not happen that Adam Le Fondre got goalside of the Burnley
defence and was fouled sufficiently that if he had gone down a penalty was highly likely. If you look
carefully at the Sky footage you can see that this is Le Fondre playing for Rotherham versus Milton Keynes
and the incident has been doctored and spliced into the footage.

The moments where Hunt is clear and misses an easy set up for the loose-socked winger, again, look carefully,
this is clearly ASTON VILLA not Burnley. Reading had no chances.

Lastly, obviously the Roberts goal was clearly offside, and he had fouled three players and our
keeper was injured at the time. Frankly, referees and "bungs" come to mind here.

Howe nevertheless remains encouraged by his players’ continued improvement this term. "To lose 1-0 at home
and then ONLY lose 1-0 away is clearly an improvement," the 2-year old added. "We are going for automatic
at the very least, and it's quite clear we will succeed provided other teams don't score against us."

“I’ve said all season we’re getting better with every game and I firmly believe in God, Fairies and UFOs
although we will have the odd dip now and then, we’re progressing really well as a team, we lost 2-0
and then 1-0, so we could get 0-0 next game” he said.

“The lads are beginning to really start believing in themselves and Roswell,
so that’s a real positive. The result at Reading only technically went against
us by virtue of them scoring a goal and us missing, but I think it was a clear
moral victory in terms of how we played and I have written to the Football League
to have the result expunged.

“The real positive is, you can count the games off where we’ve performed well against all the top sides.

"Why does everyone harp on about NINE DEFEATS against the top sides, including losing twice
to Reading FC and that useless Leeds?"

H 0-2 Middlesbrough
H 0-1 Reading
A 0-1 Cardiff (League Cup)
H 1-2 Leeds
H 1-3 Leicester
A 1-2 Birmingham
A 1-2 Leeds
A 0-2 Southampton
A 0-1 Reading

H 1-1 Cardiff
H 1-1 Southampton

H 3-1 Blackpool
A 3-2 Hull City
A 2-1 West Ham
H 1-0 Hull
A 2-0 Middlesbrough



“That was one that’s gone against us but long-term if we continue to perform like that we’ve got a
great chance of losing yet more games this season and finishing maybe 8th if we get lucky.

“There are still a lot of points to play for, but not the six we gave to Reading.”

But Howe was disappointed to come away from the Madejski Stadium with nothing.

“We created enough chances in both halves to get something out of the game,” he said
"Three chances against an incredible defensive machine is a triumph, even if the first
chance was from a total mistake by an otherwise impeccable right back. Sorry, correction,
useless right-back QPR reject."

“Let's talk about us beating a mid-table side at home instead.
We did really well against Barnsley in terms of retaining the ball
and keeping it and moving it from side to side and making the
possession stats look good but Friday was a progression from that
where we sliced Reading open at times. Obviously, winning 2-0
is far inferior to losing 1-0."

“It was just in and around the box where we felt perhaps our quality wasn’t up to its usual standard.
We hit the woodwork twice, their keeper’s made a couple of great saves but we only mention the
one in our own match report out of courtesy to Reading..

“To come to a tough place like this and create the 3 whole real chances that we did, we’re disappointed to lose
and shame on Reading for actually putting the ball in the net. Whatever happened to the Corinthian spirit?

“To be fair to Reading they defended the lead very well in the second half, broke the game up
and slowed everything down, which was incredibly frustrating for us. It's really horrible and
unfair when other teams play better than us. You want the game as quick as it can be so we can
gain an advantage, but they killed the game almost by choosing to play to their strengths.”

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Re: Back from the game - Burnley (H)

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Re: Back from the game - Burnley (H)

by 79Royal » 20 Feb 2012 10:59

JC I am getting a bit fed up with Howe. After the game he was saying that they were unlucky not to get anything out of the game. The subsequent concensus appears to be that we just shaded it.
Now he has moved on to claiming that it was a moral victory for them

http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sp ... ry_for_us/


My memory of the game is sketchy, but from what I do remember, they had three clear cut opportunities. The first one when Austin hit the bar, fair enough, we got caught out down the right and Austin's movement was very good. But other than that, the header against the post by Rodriguez (who shouldn't have been on the pitch at that point) was from a set piece and Austin's one on one was (if memory serves) from a long ball flicked on. The rest of the time, they were taking pot shots from distance. Does that constitute slicing us open?

Good luck to him, they can pass it around nicely, but we defended brilliantly. We should have had 3 or 4 ourselves, but for some poor decisions and finishing and Ben Mee's face.


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Re: Back from the game - Burnley (H)

by Hoop Blah » 20 Feb 2012 11:06

Not really read the rest of the thread but I'm assuming the majority is rightly positive about what was probably our best home performance of the season, so much so that I think I actually enjoyed watching the football for once!

Everyone played their part in a strong performance but special mentions to both wingers (I was surprised to see McAnuff playing), Roberts and Pearce. Credit also to Burnley who possibly produced the best away performance we've seen at the Madejski as well (not the one that produced the most chances, but the one that dealt with us playing much better than usual whilst also taking the game to us).

If we can build on this and start to play better football as well as just grinding out results then the rest of the season will be something worth watching.

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Re: Back from the game - Burnley (H)

by Maguire » 20 Feb 2012 11:16

79Royal the header against the post by Rodriguez


I don't see how he could've done much better tbh - got ahead of Connolly i think it was, got his head on it and hit the outside of the post. Wasn't like he missed a free header from four yards out.

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Re: Back from the game - Burnley (H)

by 79Royal » 20 Feb 2012 11:32

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I don't see how he could've done much better tbh - got ahead of Connolly i think it was, got his head on it and hit the outside of the post. Wasn't like he missed a free header from four yards out.


I totally agree with that. The point I was trying to make (but obviously failed!) was that for all their nice possession football, two out of the three clear cut opportunities they had came from a set piece and a long ball.

Thought your earlier post summed the game up well. The fact that Burnley did play some nice football just makes me enjoy the win even more!

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Re: Back from the game - Burnley (H)

by Ian Royal » 20 Feb 2012 11:39

Hoop Blah Not really read the rest of the thread but I'm assuming the majority is rightly positive about what was probably our best home performance of the season, so much so that I think I actually enjoyed watching the football for once!

Everyone played their part in a strong performance but special mentions to both wingers (I was surprised to see McAnuff playing), Roberts and Pearce. Credit also to Burnley who possibly produced the best away performance we've seen at the Madejski as well (not the one that produced the most chances, but the one that dealt with us playing much better than usual whilst also taking the game to us).

If we can build on this and start to play better football as well as just grinding out results then the rest of the season will be something worth watching.


Can't help but feel we play better football with McAnuff involved. Kebe is more of an individual match winner and threat, but McAnuff does seem to be involved in most of our best team play IMO. And he seems to be linking up well with Roberts from the game and highlights I've seen of them together.

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Re: Back from the game - Burnley (H)

by handbags_harris » 20 Feb 2012 11:42

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79Royal ...two out of the three clear cut opportunities they had came from a set piece and a long ball...


Not forgetting that the long hoof from Grant was flicked on by our own defender. Hardly creative play...

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Re: Back from the game - Burnley (H)

by BR2 » 20 Feb 2012 11:43

Just a point on Harte.
I was disappointed when he found his way back in the team but our recent results with him playing have been excellent.
I have always been a critic of his defensive play but conceded that his dead ball delivery is good.
The daft thing is that defensively he has done well but his set piece delivery has been nothing special and if he has had the odd assist it is because that is bound to happen eventually as he takes nearly all of the corners and free-kicks.
It is very much a case of having a reputation that is greater than is actually delivered.

I think this game at 'Boro is a key fixture.
Thinking back to 1995/6 the 1-0 win there when they were top of the league was a real statement that we were amongst the best at this level and I feel that this Saturday might well be a pivotal game to establish whether we are likely to challenge for automatic or for the play-offs or to not make the play-offs.

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Re: Back from the game - Burnley (H)

by Maguire » 20 Feb 2012 11:45

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79Royal the header against the post by Rodriguez


I don't see how he could've done much better tbh - got ahead of Connolly i think it was, got his head on it and hit the outside of the post. Wasn't like he missed a free header from four yards out.


I totally agree with that. The point I was trying to make (but obviously failed!) was that for all their nice possession football, two out of the three clear cut opportunities they had came from a set piece and a long ball.

Thought your earlier post summed the game up well. The fact that Burnley did play some nice football just makes me enjoy the win even more!


Yep, got your point and agree with it - just quoted that bit to make the general point that I don't think Rodriguez could've done a lot better (as people keep saying "three great chances").

Burnley did play well and I suppose "carving" a side up doesn't have to mean creating chances (could be overlaps, crosses that never come to anything etc). So, great win for us - i might even start to believe we'll end up at Wembley again..

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