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by Royal Rother » 19 Feb 2012 13:44

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Ian Royal what's the average championship wage these days? £15k a week? Ridiculous they thought they could start paying well above average wages without having even paid off 20% of the debt they'd built up to a couple of years ago, with feck all income.


Blimey, I'd have thought the average wage was nowhere near £15k - more like half that.


no no, £15k seems about right these days. you'll find a number of reading players on £10k a week, and one or two on more as well (roberts).


Hmm, I appreciate that West Ham will bump it up but I'll need a lot of convincing that the average wages to all squad players in the Championship is anywhere near £15k right now.

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Re: Generic clubs in financial crisis Thread

by Ian Royal » 19 Feb 2012 14:44

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Blimey, I'd have thought the average wage was nowhere near £15k - more like half that.


no no, £15k seems about right these days. you'll find a number of reading players on £10k a week, and one or two on more as well (roberts).


Hmm, I appreciate that West Ham will bump it up but I'll need a lot of convincing that the average wages to all squad players in the Championship is anywhere near £15k right now.

See my later post... apparently it's £4k.

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Re: Generic clubs in financial crisis Thread

by Royal Rother » 19 Feb 2012 15:35

Oh ok, missed that.

Now that seems too low to me!! :wink:

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by Simon's Church » 19 Feb 2012 15:48

Royal Rother Oh ok, missed that.

Now that seems too low to me!! :wink:


Think about how many 17/18 year olds most clubs have though that will be on relatively tiny wages.

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by Ian Royal » 19 Feb 2012 16:25

Royal Rother Oh ok, missed that.

Now that seems too low to me!! :wink:


Me too. Funny old game etc etc


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by Barry the bird boggler » 20 Feb 2012 08:06

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Rev Algenon Stickleback H More from Planet Portsmouth, which is a completely different world to this one

http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Ba ... 67020.html
Portsmouth boss Michael Appleton said: “I spoke to the administrator this morning. We have a the smallest squad in the league and a horrendous injury situation, so he said he will address getting more players in on Monday.”



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by PieEater » 20 Feb 2012 08:20

exileinleeds Apparently they only had 3 subs yesterday. They do have an acadamy- but MA is refusing to even put them on the bench...if they put some kid on the bench 3 times they become part of the first team- and they can't then claim emergency loans.



If that's true then :shock: :shock:

Every other team doesn't expect to play players they can't afford and then to avoid paying any tax on their wages. He really is on another planet.

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by Terminal Boardom » 20 Feb 2012 09:14

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exileinleeds Apparently they only had 3 subs yesterday. They do have an acadamy- but MA is refusing to even put them on the bench...if they put some kid on the bench 3 times they become part of the first team- and they can't then claim emergency loans.



If that's true then :shock: :shock:

Every other team doesn't expect to play players they can't afford and then to avoid paying any tax on their wages. He really is on another planet.


But if you were in MA's position what would you do? I am not condoning what PFC are doing but it looks like whoever is advising them knows every loophole inside and out. What is needed is strong direction from the FL, PL and FA to the extent that clubs are fined financially or docked wages for not having the full number of substitutes on the bench. Academy products or not, they should be forced to select them if there really is no-one else.

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by Mr Angry » 20 Feb 2012 09:29

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i fully understand their manager appleton wanting and needing players in to boost numbers, but surely as part of the clubs restabalisation/refinancing, they should be made to release the likes of tal ben haim? the saving in wages is greater than their potential sale value. and then, and only then, should you be able to bring in some free/loan players.

the immediate aim should be to cut costs and survive, not wangle your way out of another administration and keep the bulk of your best players, and then spend frivolously again in the hope of competing for promotion in the next season or two.


Sadly, its not as easy as that; players have contracts that are water-tight in these instances and they know that, regardless of what happens to the club, its fans, its suppliers, and yes, even the St John's Ambulance, THEY will still get 100% of what they are owed - IF the club survives.


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by exileinleeds » 20 Feb 2012 09:42

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i fully understand their manager appleton wanting and needing players in to boost numbers, but surely as part of the clubs restabalisation/refinancing, they should be made to release the likes of tal ben haim? the saving in wages is greater than their potential sale value. and then, and only then, should you be able to bring in some free/loan players.

the immediate aim should be to cut costs and survive, not wangle your way out of another administration and keep the bulk of your best players, and then spend frivolously again in the hope of competing for promotion in the next season or two.


Sadly, its not as easy as that; players have contracts that are water-tight in these instances and they know that, regardless of what happens to the club, its fans, its suppliers, and yes, even the St John's Ambulance, THEY will still get 100% of what they are owed - IF the club survives.


I think that is what most people find infuriating, they should be treated as secured creditors when it comes to voting any proposed CVA. Had they done that last time, HMRC would have got their way and the club would not be in this mess now.

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Re: Generic clubs in financial crisis Thread

by Barry the bird boggler » 20 Feb 2012 11:10

One hopes that all other clubs in thend PL refuse to do business with PFC and the PFA should be against any other players joining the club. Anyway clubs in Admin are embargoed surely - isn't that why Cousin couldn't sign for Rangers?

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by Nick Shorey my Lord! » 20 Feb 2012 13:59

FiNeRaIn But back to the point, the entire reason for all this mess is the EPL inflated and destroying football so badly its got to this point.



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by blindedbythelights » 20 Feb 2012 18:08

FA chairman David Bernstein appointed to UEFA panel overseeing financial fair play

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Re: Generic clubs in financial crisis Thread

by FiNeRaIn » 20 Feb 2012 20:51

Nick Shorey my Lord!
FiNeRaIn But back to the point, the entire reason for all this mess is the EPL inflated and destroying football so badly its got to this point.




Yeah that was bollox wasn't it. :mrgreen:

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Re: Generic clubs in financial crisis Thread

by andrew1957 » 22 Feb 2012 11:16

Looks like Trevor Birch is in the process of finding out some interesting things at Pompey - this could run and run..........

http://www.portsmouth.co.uk/sport/pompe ... _1_3545992

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Re: Generic clubs in financial crisis Thread

by Ian Royal » 22 Feb 2012 11:57

LOLLY @ AA saying there's a conflict of interest. HE is a conflict of interest and is probably worried about Birch finding out he missed something or was on the take from someone. It seems pretty clear his handling of the last administration was dodgy. I mean Pompey are back up poo creek and apparently those days were gone thanks to him.

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Re: Generic clubs in financial crisis Thread

by Royal Rother » 22 Feb 2012 12:16

Maybe it's just a fantasy but I can't wait to see Andronikou stripped of his licence to practice and maybe even put behind bars.

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by Wax Jacket » 22 Feb 2012 12:37

Royal Rother Maybe it's just a fantasy but I can't wait to see Andronikou stripped.


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by Dare to Dr£am » 22 Feb 2012 13:04

Royal Rother Maybe it's just a fantasy but I can't wait to see Andronikou stripped of his licence to practice and maybe even put behind bars and soapy.


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Re: Generic clubs in financial crisis Thread

by Friday's Legacy » 22 Feb 2012 18:02

Pompey reveal cash risk

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news ... -cash-risk

Portsmouth's administrators have revealed there is a 'serious risk' the club could run out of cash inside the next two months.

Administrators PKF Accountants & business advisers were appointed by the High Court last Friday after the club ran into difficulties for the second time in three seasons.

Trevor Birch, partner at PKF and joint administrator of Portsmouth, has confirmed that a raft of difficult decisions have been taken, adding that 'certain' employees have been asked to defer wages.

Portsmouth chief executive David Lampitt has left with immediate effect as part of the cost-cutting measures and he told Sky Sports News: "I respect the decision of Trevor Birch and the administrators and wish them all the very best.

"The priority of the club is to survive and to be sold to a new buyer. That is more important than anything else."

The club's administrators have revealed the club have a 'Premier League cost base' while attempting to operate on a Championship income, something they say is not sustainable.

Redundancies

"As things stand, there is a serious risk that the club could run out of cash within the next couple of months."
Pompey joint-administrator Trevor Birch
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"We have had no choice but to take the difficult decision to make a number of redundancies across all levels and departments within Portsmouth Football Club," read a statement on the club's official website.

"Additionally, we are asking certain employees to defer wages on an ongoing basis and are asking several members of staff to move from a full-time to a part-time role.

"These measures are painful for everyone involved with the club, but they are essential for Portsmouth's survival, which is our main objective.

"They are in no way a reflection of the performance of the club's hard-working staff, who have remained loyal and supportive throughout this difficult time.

"Our initial analysis of the club's financial position has revealed that the situation is more serious than many people had expected.

Not sustainable

"We have been brought in to try to rescue a business with significant financial problems. To put it bluntly, Portsmouth Football Club has a Premier League cost base but only Championship income. This is not a sustainable situation and one that needs to be addressed urgently if the club is to continue to exist.

"As things stand, there is a serious risk that the club could run out of cash within the next couple of months. I recognise that this is not the news that anyone wants to hear but burying our heads in the sand will not help anyone.

"Today's redundancies will make a difference to the club's financial position but there are sure to be further challenges ahead of us.

"Portsmouth's survival depends on us being able to find a buyer for the club before the money runs out.

"This is a great club with a proud history. We will continue to do all we can to secure a long-term future for Portsmouth Football Club. I hope that with the support of the staff, players, supporters and the wider community we can achieve this aim.

"Portsmouth needs the support of as many people as possible over the next few weeks and months. There are six home games coming up in the next five weeks so let's make every single one a sell-out - starting with Leeds on Saturday.

"With this in mind, we have already started speaking to the supporters' groups and are meeting with fans tonight."

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