Hillsborough

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Closer to the truth would be drunken Chelsea fans already in their seats chanting "murderers" from the first second after the whistle, rather than piss-heads stumbling into the arena, realising what was going on and hilariously interrupting the deep silence.

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I recall this happening at a Swindon v Reading game at the County Ground a fair few years ago. Reading 'lads' turned up late during the minutes silence. Got a bit of bad press for it.

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Got a bit of bad press for it.

Link?

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Got a bit of bad press for it.

Link?

This was before your time. I recall it was played on Valentines day, midweek game.....

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Closer to the truth would be drunken Chelsea fans already in their seats chanting "murderers" from the first second after the whistle, rather than piss-heads stumbling into the arena, realising what was going on and hilariously interrupting the deep silence.

Didn't realise you were there either. Blimey, should have said hello my m8.

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Got a bit of bad press for it.

Link?

This was before your time.

[Rev Algenon Stickleback H]

Got a bit of bad press for it.

Link?

This was before your time. I recall it was played on Valentines day, midweek game.....

A minute's silence in remembrance of Bugs Moran's gang, no doubt.

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Ooooooh, it was an event which occurred before the invention of recording events for reference; it’s mere existence in man’s thought today down to campfire lore and shared legend.

It’s been told that upon that shameful day, a dragon of golden scales, refracting the rainbow in it’s saturation from the sky full of rain, did rise from the Kennet and inhale the voices of those who corrupted the silence, and fired them through flaming nostril towards the dawning valentine sun, leaving the wrongdoers mute forever. Disappearing back into the folds of the Kennet water, the clans of Swindon and Reading fell to their leather-bound knees, and vowed the felony should from this day forth, be reminded upon those that dare embrace hypocrisy…

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Got a bit of bad press for it.

Link?

This was before your time. I recall it was played on Valentines day, midweek game.....

That'd be 2001 - a dire 0-0.

"ITV, w*nk, w*nk, w*nk"

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TBF - most of the noise came from the lads walking in the little park by the away end. Still caused annoyance for some though.....

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Are Liverpool fans STILL banging on about this?

Anything to cover up the shame of Heysel

[PieEater]

Are Liverpool fans STILL banging on about this?

Until SYP fess up to their cockups and cover up and apologise, of course they are and so they should. These are parents of DEAD children, would you give up?

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Two people died in a crash on the M1 yesterday.

That had nothing to do with what happened at Hillsborough either. Is that the game here?

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HAHAHAHaaheh yeah mental, but seriously - What does Heysel have to do with Hillsborough?

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HAHAHAHaaheh yeah mental, but seriously - What does Heysal have to do with Hillsborough?

Nothing.

But was is disgusting is Liverpool fans constant campaign for Justice for Hillsborough while blaming Chelsea fans for Heysel.

They are a vile bunch of hypocritical twats. Trying to suck up yo Juve recently made me feel sick and Juve fans quite rightly turned their backs.

If they just remembered those who died in a dignified manner people would have empathy. Instead they continue to point the finger without acknowledging in the slightest that their supporters should take at least some part in blame.

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Injuries and deaths were caused at both due to Liverpool fans entering stadiums through entrances they should not have entered.

Heysal had nothing to do with entering a stadium, nor entrances, though.

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HAHAHAHaaheh yeah mental, but seriously - What does Heysal have to do with Hillsborough?

Nothing.

But was is disgusting is Liverpool fans constant campaign for Justice for Hillsborough while blaming Chelsea fans for Heysel.

They are a vile bunch of hypocritical twats. Trying to suck up yo Juve recently made me feel sick and Juve fans quite rightly turned their backs.

If they just remembered those who died in a dignified manner people would have empathy. Instead they continue to point the finger without acknowledging in the slightest that their supporters should take at least some part in blame.

Heysel was resolved.

Hillsborough hasn't been. I can see why it still stings.

And at Hillsborough, as said in my previous post, the crowd behaved no differently to any other crowd, which authorities are to expect, plan for and manage. Replay what happened with a random crowd of your choosing, Hillsborough would still happen. If the mistakes in management hadn't have happened, nobody would have died.

I don't like Liverpool as a club or as a place. But Hillsborough isn't about Liverpool, it's about people. And we got screwed over by negligence in authority.

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Injuries and deaths were caused at both due to Liverpool fans entering stadiums through entrances they should not have entered.

Heysal had nothing to do with entering a stadium, nor entrances, though.

In that case, nothing.

As I said, my knowledge of football history in that era is very weak.

Cool. Cos for a minute there it looked like you were comparing a riot with an accident.

And that would be pretty stupid.

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I think if you are going to comment with any authority on this matter, you really need to understand 2 things.

1. In a human crush, the application of pressure is minimal at the back of the crowd but amplifies exponentially towards the front. It is impossible for those at the back to appreciate what minimal pressure is doing to those at the front.

2. The reason that the liability of Liverpool fans is being eased, is that they didn’t react or behave in a manor any different to any crowd, a behaviour which is studied and understood by most people who manage them. They really shouldn’t be thought of in these contexts as “Liverpool fans”, but as “people”.

Football crowds consist of people who don’t want to miss the game, who may have had a drink, who may not have bought tickets and who are subject to the same herd behaviour and crush factors as any other crowd of people.

You only have to look through history to see the thousands of examples of human crushes from all walks of life, be it football or other sports, rock concerts, train stations, airports, festivals and carnivals – events where crowds consist of people just like Hillsborough, to see there is nothing special about the Liverpool fans that day.

Those in charge are supposed to be qualified in dealing with crowds of people and accounting for these characteristics in their plans and actions.

The Liverpool fans behaved like people, in a crowd.

The authorities behaved negligently, before, during and after, leading to the deaths of 96 people, and then tried to cover it up.


I’m not sure why anybody is concerning themselves with blaming Liverpool fans, i.e. people – you, me, your folks and friends, along with the good and the bad in any cross-section of society, for a disaster which would have been avoided if managed competently.

I’m not sure what point anybody who overlooks this is trying to make.

Great post.

It's a shame some people still want to believe the Sun's version of events or repeat the cliche about scousers loving to be victims.

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Is anyone saying the authorities caused the deaths at Hillsborough deliberately?