Sinking Ship

[Royal Rother]

Ok, he got it pretty much wrong, we all do from time to time. But it's the absolute denial and total lack of self-depracation / humour that does him in.

[3 veesinarow]

Do we have to drag the Holocaust into every thread?

[Z175]

Ok, he got it pretty much wrong, we all do from time to time. But it's the absolute denial and total lack of self-depracation / humour that does him in.

I don't think humours appropriate. Denying it happened is one thing, joking about it is too far imho

[Schards#2]

Do we have to drag the Holocaust into every thread?

Oh this is nothing, over at AE, because I put up the argument that the rich DO pay a fair share of tax, some bozo ranted that "if I believe that, then I must also believe...." and listed about ten things on which I'd never voiced an opinion and most of which I disagreed with, before ending that, given I believed all this, I must be a nazi sympathiser

In the last four years, I've watched many, many games which I have found exceptionally dull, just because we've got promoted, I'm not go to airbrush my thoughts on these games and decide they were thrilling. If someone else saw the same and thought they were great, good for them, it's all about matters of opinion rather than fact , which is why I won't be changing mine. I find it staggering that some people seem so fraught because someone else holds a different point of view, even more so when it's someone who hasn't seen more than a handful of games on which to form an opinion. Seriously, get over it people.

On the Wolves job, my understanding was that Wolves only wanted to appoint someone to the end of the season and this was what put many potential managers off. If Brian was offered that then I don't think he'd have considered it TSI or not, if he was offered a 2-3 year contract and there was no TSI, I think he may well have. It was certainly concerning that he avoided all media contact for a few days while he name was in the frame but, as RR says, it's all conjecture and no one knows if he even spoke to them let alone what they may have put to him.

[ZacNaloen]

http://www.readingchronicle.co.uk/sport ... -pressure/



"I never spoke to Wolves," insisted McDermott. "They wanted to talk to me but we never had an official conversation.

[Schards#2]

http://www.readingchronicle.co.uk/sport/readingfc/articles/2012/04/05/58528-mcdermott-we-dont-feel-promotion-pressure/



"I never spoke to Wolves," insisted McDermott. "They wanted to talk to me but we never had an official conversation.

He goes on to say: "Our new owner, Anton Zingarevich, discussed things with me. We had a 48 hour window when we wanted to get things sorted and we did."

Which would suggest he got certain undertakings that meant he did not want to consider Wolves, had he not got these undertaking, who knows?

[ZacNaloen]

and then he goes on to say


"Anyone who knows me knows I'm not motivated by money. Reading had spoken to me about a new contract four weeks earlier and I was always looking to agree a deal because I wanted to stay. After I'd spoken to the chairman and new owner I knew I was working with fantastic people."


Who knows *shrugs*

[3 veesinarow]

Oh this is nothing, over at AE, because I put up the argument that the rich DO pay a fair share of tax, some bozo ranted that "if I believe that, then I must also believe...." and listed about ten things on which I'd never voiced an opinion and most of which I disagreed with, before ending that, given I believed all this, I must be a nazi sympathiser

In the last four years, I've watched many, many games which I have found exceptionally dull, just because we've got promoted, I'm not go to airbrush my thoughts on these games and decide they were thrilling. If someone else saw the same and thought they were great, good for them, it's all about matters of opinion rather than fact , which is why I won't be changing mine. I find it staggering that some people seem so fraught because someone else holds a different point of view, even more so when it's someone who hasn't seen more than a handful of games on which to form an opinion. Seriously, get over it people.

Schards,
I can't - and didn't - disagree with you about many poor games and poor performances in the years gone by. They're all there and no-one is rewriting history, but you took HR to task for having the temerity to say that the seasons as a whole have been inspiring and interesting. I don't think we've had a uninteresting season for over a decade now. Life as an RFC fan is up, it is down, it is passionate, it is joyful, it is frustrating beyond belief at times, but it is never dull. That surely is the same for a regular like yourself, a lifelong loon like Blackie or a full-time fan like HR who can't get to many games, but must still be allowed to express his opinion, even if he's not at may games. Perhaps his distance from those games makes it all seem so much exciting without suffering the minute by minute agonies of poor games. You seem equally fraught that he can hold that opinion.

[Schards#2]

Oh this is nothing, over at AE, because I put up the argument that the rich DO pay a fair share of tax, some bozo ranted that "if I believe that, then I must also believe...." and listed about ten things on which I'd never voiced an opinion and most of which I disagreed with, before ending that, given I believed all this, I must be a nazi sympathiser

In the last four years, I've watched many, many games which I have found exceptionally dull, just because we've got promoted, I'm not go to airbrush my thoughts on these games and decide they were thrilling. If someone else saw the same and thought they were great, good for them, it's all about matters of opinion rather than fact , which is why I won't be changing mine. I find it staggering that some people seem so fraught because someone else holds a different point of view, even more so when it's someone who hasn't seen more than a handful of games on which to form an opinion. Seriously, get over it people.

Schards,
I can't - and didn't - disagree with you about many poor games and poor performances in the years gone by. They're all there and no-one is rewriting history, but you took HR to task for having the temerity to say that the seasons as a whole have been inspiring and interesting. I don't think we've had a uninteresting season for over a decade now. Life as an RFC fan is up, it is down, it is passionate, it is joyful, it is frustrating beyond belief at times, but it is never dull. That surely is the same for a regular like yourself, a lifelong loon like Blackie or a full-time fan like HR who can't get to many games, but must still be allowed to express his opinion, even if he's not at may games. Perhaps his distance from those games makes it all seem so much exciting without suffering the minute by minute agonies of poor games. You seem equally fraught that he can hold that opinion.

Well not really, he made the mocking comment about "dull and uninspiring" so, without wishing to sound like a child (and failing) he started it!

I do, however, remain of the view that unless you actually see the games, your opinion on whether they are entertaining or not really isn't worth much. I take a passing interest in whether Maidenhead will stay up and look at the results and the table from that division, it's quite interesting, however, I wouldn't have a clue whether the games themselves are pure drama or dull as ditchwater.

[melonhead]

Do we have to drag the Holocaust into every thread?

In the last four years, I've watched many, many games which I have found exceptionally dull, just because we've got promoted, I'm not go to airbrush my thoughts on these games and decide they were thrilling. If someone else saw the same and thought they were great, good for them, it's all about matters of opinion rather than fact , which is why I won't be changing mine. I find it staggering that some people seem so fraught because someone else holds a different point of view, even more so when it's someone who hasn't seen more than a handful of games on which to form an opinion. Seriously, get over it people.

.

even 05/06 had some dull games.
surely the good games, and the general gists/stories of those seasons cant be described as dull though

[Maguire]

Let's face it brendy, you were high as a kite for 90% of the games this season so you'd have walked away happy even if you'd just spent a couple of hours watching me and Silver Fox play Subbuteo

[melonhead]

Let's face it brendy, you were high as a kite for 90% of the games this season so you'd have walked away happy even if you'd just spent a couple of hours watching me and Silver Fox play Subbuteo

that would make me very happy indeed.

and ive been off the drugs all season damnit.
its probably that that got us up imo.


although, i do appreciate that your suggested % is down to 90

[Ian Royal]

I'm assuming that you're talking about the last four seasons:

2008/09: Play Offs
2009/10: Fantastic end to the season
2010/11: Play Offs
2011/12: Promoted

Pretty dull and uninspiring. Makes you wonder why Anton decided to invest in Reading.

Don't forget the two FA Cup quarter finals, being 2-0 up on Villa in one quarter and taking Citeh all the way at their gaffe in the other, beating Liverpool & Everton on Merseyside, the battle of West Brom and Sig's wonder goal...oxf*rd it, Schards is right, dull and uninspiring.

We've finished mid-table twice, (at most four times if you include 9th, when we were still challenging for play offs) in the last 19 years.

We've had:
2 (3?) Titles
4 Promotions
3 Play Off Finals
5 Play Off campaigns
1 Falling just short of Europe
3 Falling just short of the play offs
4 1/2 relegation battles
2 relegations.
All of our best 10 seasons ever in the last 19 years.

We've had it so oxf*rd good.

[Ian Royal]

http://www.readingchronicle.co.uk/sport/readingfc/articles/2012/04/05/58528-mcdermott-we-dont-feel-promotion-pressure/



"I never spoke to Wolves," insisted McDermott. "They wanted to talk to me but we never had an official conversation.

He goes on to say: "Our new owner, Anton Zingarevich, discussed things with me. We had a 48 hour window when we wanted to get things sorted and we did."

Which would suggest he got certain undertakings that meant he did not want to consider Wolves, had he not got these undertaking, who knows?

He'd have been an idiot not to use Wolves interest to his advantage, means absolutely nothing in whether he'd have actually gone. He'd have likely got a better offer from the Prem in the summer without an almost certain relegation on his CV instead of another play off campaign without big spending.

The fact is NO ONE wanted the Wolves job, why would BMcD?

[Royal With Cheese]

http://www.readingchronicle.co.uk/sport/readingfc/articles/2012/04/05/58528-mcdermott-we-dont-feel-promotion-pressure/



"I never spoke to Wolves," insisted McDermott. "They wanted to talk to me but we never had an official conversation.

He goes on to say: "Our new owner, Anton Zingarevich, discussed things with me. We had a 48 hour window when we wanted to get things sorted and we did."

Which would suggest he got certain undertakings that meant he did not want to consider Wolves, had he not got these undertaking, who knows?

He'd have been an idiot not to use Wolves interest to his advantage, means absolutely nothing in whether he'd have actually gone. He'd have likely got a better offer from the Prem in the summer without an almost certain relegation on his CV instead of another play off campaign without big spending.

The fact is NO ONE wanted the Wolves job, why would BMcD?

Because it supports Schards' arguments?

[Schards#2]

http://www.readingchronicle.co.uk/sport/readingfc/articles/2012/04/05/58528-mcdermott-we-dont-feel-promotion-pressure/



"I never spoke to Wolves," insisted McDermott. "They wanted to talk to me but we never had an official conversation.

He goes on to say: "Our new owner, Anton Zingarevich, discussed things with me. We had a 48 hour window when we wanted to get things sorted and we did."

Which would suggest he got certain undertakings that meant he did not want to consider Wolves, had he not got these undertaking, who knows?

He'd have been an idiot not to use Wolves interest to his advantage, means absolutely nothing in whether he'd have actually gone. He'd have likely got a better offer from the Prem in the summer without an almost certain relegation on his CV instead of another play off campaign without big spending.

The fact is NO ONE wanted the Wolves job, why would BMcD?

No Ian, it's not a fact, it's your opinion. Unless, of course you a privvy to the workings of the Wolves board and know exactly who applied and who was offered what. I'm guessing you aren't.

There are 20 Premier League managerial positions and, of those, about 3-4 will become available per year. Even in Wolves's position of the time, if you think no one would be interested in an opportunity at a Premier League club you are, as per, hugely mistaken.

[Archie's penalty]

Schards and Woodcote. Ignoring complexities and ploughing ahead with their opinion since the year dot.

Seriously Schards' arguing is so similar to Woodcote's outburst during the Gunnarsson thread.

Anyway glad we can start arguing straight away. Why I love the board.

[Ian Royal]

He goes on to say: "Our new owner, Anton Zingarevich, discussed things with me. We had a 48 hour window when we wanted to get things sorted and we did."

Which would suggest he got certain undertakings that meant he did not want to consider Wolves, had he not got these undertaking, who knows?

He'd have been an idiot not to use Wolves interest to his advantage, means absolutely nothing in whether he'd have actually gone. He'd have likely got a better offer from the Prem in the summer without an almost certain relegation on his CV instead of another play off campaign without big spending.

The fact is NO ONE wanted the Wolves job, why would BMcD?

No Ian, it's not a fact, it's your opinion. Unless, of course you a privvy to the workings of the Wolves board and know exactly who applied and who was offered what. I'm guessing you aren't.

There are 20 Premier League managerial positions and, of those, about 3-4 will become available per year. Even in Wolves's position of the time, if you think no one would be interested in an opportunity at a Premier League club you are, as per, hugely mistaken.

Sorry, it's not a fact that Wolves couldn't find someone to take on the job and had to employ from within in a massively embarrassing shambles?

What does your colon actually look like from the inside?

[Schards#2]

Schards and Woodcote. Ignoring complexities and ploughing ahead with their opinion since the year dot.

Seriously Schards' arguing is so similar to Woodcote's outburst during the Gunnarsson thread.

Anyway glad we can start arguing straight away. Why I love the board.

Clearly you missed the two posts where I stated I didn't think this was an appropriate time to go over this again. Maybe you should read the thread.

[Archie's penalty]

I did. Anyway #end thread.