Jason Roberts...Do you sometimes find him annoying?!

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Re: Jason Roberts...Do you sometimes find him annoying?!

by Alexander Litvinenko » 08 Nov 2012 15:28

Hoop Blah Agreed Dirk, but in the real world human nature is that you do associate certain behaviour with groups when you see those groups often display that behaviour.

That's why little old grannies fear a group of hoody wearing youths and why some people might thinking a group of swaggering black youths might be a danger too them.

That's not to excuse discrimination based on the way a person looks or the colour of your skin, but the behaviour of minorities will effect the perception of the majority. You'll know that only too well with your work with the FSF and STAR.


Yes, but its precisely those kind of lazy generalisations that cause so many problems ion so many areas.

Because Cardiff had a problem with hooligans a few years ago, all Cardiff fans are hooligans.....
Because football had a problem with hooligans 20 years ago, all football fans are hooligans.....
Because some Portsmouth supporters cheered when their team won the FA Cup, all Portsmouth supporters were complicit in their club's financial abuses .......
Because some people mis-claim benefits, all benefit claimants are scroungers.......
Because some black people are bullies, all black people are bullies .........
Because some paedophiles are gay, all paedophiles are gay..........

And so on, and so on.

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Re: Jason Roberts...Do you sometimes find him annoying?!

by melonhead » 08 Nov 2012 15:30

because some of the people on the STAR buses are mongers, then all the people........


oh

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Re: Jason Roberts...Do you sometimes find him annoying?!

by Hoop Blah » 08 Nov 2012 15:30

Extended-Phenotype I think your problem bud, is that when a crime is commited by a black dude, you go "oh look, black dude's are criminal". You don't seem to be keeping score how many crims are brown haired, Swedish, wearing a tracksuit or with moustache.

It's like in the papers. There is no mention of a persons race if he isn't black or asian.

People only seem to chalk it up if it's a dude they don't look like.


Apart from if that group/individual is called out at a football yob, football star, chav, hoody, skinhead, Polish migrant, asylum seeker, unemployed etc etc. The colour of their skin might not be called out in quite the same way (why would you describe someone as being white when that description would fit c. 90% of the population) but where there is another obvious bit of 'branding' it does get mentioned or noticed.

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Re: Jason Roberts...Do you sometimes find him annoying?!

by Hoop Blah » 08 Nov 2012 15:33

Dirk, that's my point though, it's human nature to assign a wider group with a set of behaviours you've experienced (even when portayed by a minority) when you then see the same or similar group.

You can't really expect to change that and so what Kes said, for once, actually does ring true in reality.

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Re: Jason Roberts...Do you sometimes find him annoying?!

by melonhead » 08 Nov 2012 15:41

but they could have banded together like that in order to preempt racist bullying, and ensure they were not going to be victims
even their bullying may have had its seeds in white peoples racism

its a whole web of h8


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Re: Jason Roberts...Do you sometimes find him annoying?!

by Hoop Blah » 08 Nov 2012 15:51

Or perhaps they banded together because they incorrectly say all those honkies in the same light as the 2 or 3 NF members who hurled abuse at them and treated everyone else by their own racist sterotypes....

It is an every growing web you're right!

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by No Fixed Abode » 08 Nov 2012 15:55

melonhead but they could have banded together like that in order to preempt racist bullying, and ensure they were not going to be victims
even their bullying may have had its seeds in white peoples racism

its a whole web of h8


Stop making excuses Brendy. There was never any racist bullying at our school to the black kids, just lots of white kids in fear of going out at lunchtimes in case they ran in to the black gang. I recall a certain black person known to a few on here going around flicking ink on everyone's school uniform. When some white kid had the audacity to say "what the fook are you doing" the whole gang then went after this bloke for weeks. Then after school one day - one of the gang saw the kid on his bike making his way home and decided to kick him off his bike in the road. But it's ok - they were black, so it's acceptable.

I'm not saying that's a reason to be racist, but it could make some people think that way.

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Re: Jason Roberts...Do you sometimes find him annoying?!

by MouldyRoyal » 08 Nov 2012 16:00

No Fixed Abode they were black, so it's acceptable.


No it is not. Such action is clearly incorrect behaviour and bullying regardless of the perpetrators. Also, the fact that the bullies at your school were black does not mean black people have a disposition to being bullies. People in this thread have given you numerous examples of bullying gangs that were not black but you chose to ignore them. The bullies at your school were the black kids, in mine they were very much white. They were also the most well off and picked on anyone poorer than them or cleverer than them.

Bizarrely, bullies like people generally, come in all shapes and colours.

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Re: Jason Roberts...Do you sometimes find him annoying?!

by No Fixed Abode » 08 Nov 2012 16:09

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No Fixed Abode they were black, so it's acceptable.


No it is not. Such action is clearly incorrect behaviour and bullying regardless of the perpetrators. Also, the fact that the bullies at your school were black does not mean black people have a disposition to being bullies. People in this thread have given you numerous examples of bullying gangs that were not black but you chose to ignore them. The bullies at your school were the black kids, in mine they were very much white. They were also the most well off and picked on anyone poorer than them or cleverer than them.

Bizarrely, bullies like people generally, come in all shapes and colours.


I know that - my point is, it very much depends on where you went to school. If kids were bullied by blacks at school - which many were at mine, then it's not surprising some white kids may turn out to be racists. (In fact I know some are).


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Re: Jason Roberts...Do you sometimes find him annoying?!

by facaldaqui » 08 Nov 2012 17:02

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No Fixed Abode they were black, so it's acceptable.


No it is not. Such action is clearly incorrect behaviour and bullying regardless of the perpetrators. Also, the fact that the bullies at your school were black does not mean black people have a disposition to being bullies. People in this thread have given you numerous examples of bullying gangs that were not black but you chose to ignore them. The bullies at your school were the black kids, in mine they were very much white. They were also the most well off and picked on anyone poorer than them or cleverer than them.

Bizarrely, bullies like people generally, come in all shapes and colours.


I know that - my point is, it very much depends on where you went to school. If kids were bullied by blacks at school - which many were at mine, then it's not surprising some white kids may turn out to be racists. (In fact I know some are).


It may not be surprising that racism arises in such circumstances, but it's still racism and it's still ignorant. In any case, attempts to explain racism by immediate personal experiences (such as where you went to school) fall down when we consider that racism is often at its worst in all-white areas. How many black people go to school in Serbia, for example?

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Re: Jason Roberts...Do you sometimes find him annoying?!

by melonhead » 08 Nov 2012 17:13

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melonhead but they could have banded together like that in order to preempt racist bullying, and ensure they were not going to be victims
even their bullying may have had its seeds in white peoples racism

its a whole web of h8


Stop making excuses Brendy. There was never any racist bullying at our school to the black kids, just lots of white kids in fear of going out at lunchtimes in case they ran in to the black gang. I recall a certain black person known to a few on here going around flicking ink on everyone's school uniform. When some white kid had the audacity to say "what the fook are you doing" the whole gang then went after this bloke for weeks. Then after school one day - one of the gang saw the kid on his bike making his way home and decided to kick him off his bike in the road. But it's ok - they were black, so it's acceptable.

I'm not saying that's a reason to be racist, but it could make some people think that way.


it certainly could if they are ignorant, and take specific incidents of anything as proof of a general rule for the whole population

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Re: Jason Roberts...Do you sometimes find him annoying?!

by melonhead » 08 Nov 2012 17:14

i was bullie by a fat kid called daniel


therefore all fat daniels and fat people are bullies, and its ok to h8 them*

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Re: Jason Roberts...Do you sometimes find him annoying?!

by No Fixed Abode » 08 Nov 2012 17:15

That's because places like Serbia are behind the times. Probably more reminiscent of the UK many years ago. In time and through education things will get better.

So, originally my point was - footballers such as Jason Roberts, should be going around schools and educating kids, instead of wasting their breath accusing football as being racist.

Or does everyone want to argue for arguments sake?


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Re: Jason Roberts...Do you sometimes find him annoying?!

by No Fixed Abode » 08 Nov 2012 17:16

melonhead i was bullie by a fat kid called daniel


therefore all fat daniels and fat people are bullies, and its ok to h8 them*


Sounds like a gr8 bloke tbf.

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Re: Jason Roberts...Do you sometimes find him annoying?!

by melonhead » 08 Nov 2012 17:24

No Fixed Abode That's because places like Serbia are behind the times. Probably more reminiscent of the UK many years ago. In time and through education things will get better.

So, originally my point was - footballers such as Jason Roberts, should be going around schools and educating kids, instead of wasting their breath accusing football as being racist.

Or does everyone want to argue for arguments sake?


argue for arguments sake please

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Re: Jason Roberts...Do you sometimes find him annoying?!

by melonhead » 08 Nov 2012 17:25

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melonhead i was bullie by a fat kid called daniel


therefore all fat daniels and fat people are bullies, and its ok to h8 them*


Sounds like a gr8 bloke tbf.



was a oxf*rd

beat the shit out of him one day, and he had to go and get his big brother to help ambush me after shool
what a gay

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Re: Jason Roberts...Do you sometimes find him annoying?!

by soggy biscuit » 08 Nov 2012 18:38

Why the h8red Kes? Black man going with your mum or summat?

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Re: Jason Roberts...Do you sometimes find him annoying?!

by leon » 09 Nov 2012 00:22

TheSiege To bring this thread back to somewhere near sanity - The 'potential' black PFA Organisation are being given help by a couple of bodies including one who are suggesting huge fines and Bans for racist language - bans that would end a footballers career!

I agree entirely, providing the same fines and bans apply to black players who use fattism, gingerism, reverse-racism, personal abuse and abuse of Referees. I agree with this simply because, at the age of 64 I will be playing left-wing for Man Utd and Melonhead will be in goal!

Alternatively - this racist cr*p (the new diving) should be consigned to the bin!

Football has always reflected society, if society needs to change, do'nt put that need onto football!


OK, which nobber are you really? The posts are getting sillier and sillier.

You're even throwing in grammar errors to take the p1ss.

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Re: Jason Roberts...Do you sometimes find him annoying?!

by melonhead » 09 Nov 2012 10:40

TheSiege To bring this thread back to somewhere near sanity - !



LOL!

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Re: Jason Roberts...Do you sometimes find him annoying?!

by Extended-Phenotype » 09 Nov 2012 16:35

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Extended-Phenotype I think your problem bud, is that when a crime is commited by a black dude, you go "oh look, black dude's are criminal". You don't seem to be keeping score how many crims are brown haired, Swedish, wearing a tracksuit or with moustache.

It's like in the papers. There is no mention of a persons race if he isn't black or asian.

People only seem to chalk it up if it's a dude they don't look like.


why would you describe someone as being white when that description would fit c. 90% of the population.


It's this sort of thinking which perpetuates the problem.

Only describing it when 'it's relevant', i.e. different, is making those differences newsworthy.

A blue eyed man punched his fist through a horse in Berkshire yesterday afternoon
A man on charge for stabbing his mother with a 17ft yaht commited suicide in his cell. Danny Flaps had blue eyes.
A post office in New Malden was held at gun point by a blue eyed man...

"Shit, honey - these blue eyed people are out of f/cking control! Better keep our eyes out f... SHIT HONEY, I'M BLUE EYED! MY GOD, RUN! RUN BEFORE I F/CK HOLES INTO YOUR TITS AND BURN DOWN THE SALVATION ARMY!!"

Etc.

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