How Long Will BM Last at this rate?????

[leon]

The clown has now demonstrated he's lost the plot!

This is exactly what I DESPISE about some football supporters.

Struggling / out of his depth or just unlucky at the moment - which one doesn't matter... What an absolutely shitty thing to say. Horrendous. You should be fcuking ashamed of yourself. If you were some spotty oik I could just about accept such brainlessness but you're a grown man with a family FFS. Take a look at yourself.

This.

RoyalBlue has been wanting Mcdermott sacked for ages and this comment is just typical. What a c*nt.

[windermere_royal]

Any manager that can change our playing style from the "Reading way" to the frigging passing way, it can`t be that difficult to pass the ball to one of your team mates can it?

[larry1971]

QPR, may still not have won a game but even in the few games since Harry, took over you can see they are playing with a lot more confidence ours is rock bottom at the moment and to make matters worse Mcdermott seems totally unable to motivate the players or know how to change things round . 35 to 36pts has been enough to stay up for quite a few seasons now unfortunately I can't see us getting anywhere near that if Mcdermott stays but if he is to go then he has to go in the next couple of weeks. Leave it any longer and you would be giving any nw manager very little time to either change things round or buy new players in the January transfer window.

[Hoop Blah]

I don't think I am Ian but it's only a gut feeling and I really can't think of any type of research I could do to support what was pretty much a throwaway comment in the 1st place.

It's really not worth the effort.

Knickers should certainly remain untwisted over this one.

Nothing's getting twisted here, I'm just pointing out that your 'throw away commebt', or, as I think of it 'made up rubbish', just isn't true. I don't think you need any research to prove your guy feeling was wrong when I've already given you examples of managers being appointed and results turning around in the top flight.

This is a forum for discussion so if you make a point like that I don't see why you'd be surprised or defensive when it's discussed.

[Royal Rother]

You love it don't you! Like a dog with a plastic bone.

I am neither surprised nor defensive - I know you want me to try to argue the case but I said at the time I was not going to make an attempt to justify it. I think you'd be better off looking for something else to get stuck into.

Oh and by the way, I don't have guy feelings.

[Royal Lady]

If Brian stays we will get relegated, although he may be able to bring us straight back up again. The only worry is there are currently at least 5 teams in the Championship with a better squad than ours.

If we get a new manager with more tactical ability then we might just stand a chance. Paolo Di Canio could be the answer with his drive and passion.

LOLz - be interesting to see how Roberts gets on with him!!

[RoyalBlue]

The clown has now demonstrated he's lost the plot!

This is exactly what I DESPISE about some football supporters.

Struggling / out of his depth or just unlucky at the moment - which one doesn't matter... What an absolutely shitty thing to say. Horrendous. You should be fcuking ashamed of yourself. If you were some spotty oik I could just about accept such brainlessness but you're a grown man with a family FFS. Take a look at yourself.

This.

RoyalBlue has been wanting Mcdermott sacked for ages and this comment is just typical. What a c*nt.

I suppose it depends on your definition of 'ages', which clearly isn't very long in your world. Yes, I have wanted him gone from the end of November (what I voted for in the poll I set up) by which time he had clearly shown that he hadn't got a clue how to turn things around. His tactics and comments in recent games have either been tragic or comical. I decided they were the latter.

I've had a look at myself thanks, Royal Rother (hardly a paragon of virtue yourself - and the relevance of a family? ), and I'm OK with it. What's more, I'd rather be what I am than be you or Leon. McDermott clearly thinks he's still OK to stay in the kitchen, so will have to put up with an increasing amount of heat.

His performance, and that of the team yesterday, was an absolute disgrace . The two things that have served him well in the past, squad unity and hard work, have both disappeared, the former very early on in the season. Even if they were there in abundance, they are not an adequate replacement for quality and good tactics/management.

And just how would you guys describe a manager who puts a player on the bench and then tells the media after a game, which was crying out for his introduction, that said player isn't fit/up to speed and therefore not worthy of bringing on? Idiotic or what?

As for someone who stubbornly persists with the same formation and tactics despite them failing in the overwhelming majority of games............

The clown has now demonstrated he's lost the plot!

This is exactly what I DESPISE about some football supporters.

Struggling / out of his depth or just unlucky at the moment - which one doesn't matter... What an absolutely shitty thing to say. Horrendous. You should be fcuking ashamed of yourself. If you were some spotty oik I could just about accept such brainlessness but you're a grown man with a family FFS. Take a look at yourself.

Yep, I may think he's doing a bad job and it's time for him to go if we don't beat Sunderland, but he has done far too much for us for me to want be name call the way I might with Rodgers, or Burns etc.

Except in the heat of frustrated anger during a game.

Yes, and mine were expressed in the heat of frustrated anger not long after an appalling performance in a game and one of the most ridiculous post match interviews in ages.

That having been said, I'm actually feeling quite happy to be despised by Royal Rother!

[RoyalBlue]

QPR, may still not have won a game but even in the few games since Harry, took over you can see they are playing with a lot more confidence ours is rock bottom at the moment and to make matters worse Mcdermott seems totally unable to motivate the players or know how to change things round . 35 to 36pts has been enough to stay up for quite a few seasons now unfortunately I can't see us getting anywhere near that if Mcdermott stays but if he is to go then he has to go in the next couple of weeks. Leave it any longer and you would be giving any nw manager very little time to either change things round or buy new players in the January transfer window.

Nice to here Harry telling things exactly how they are, rather than trying to protect the egos and the 'confidence' of his excessively paid failures. 'The ball is cleared to the edge of our box where one of our players decides to stand picking his nose, rather than closing their player down'.

[Royal Rother]

He has worked for this club for 10 years and, whatever his limitations, has done an extraordinary job in that time, particularly in the early part of this very year and has shown himself to be an intelligent, hard-working, honest and likeable bloke.

Yet you call him a clown because of those limitations you perceive. And then attempt to justify it.

As I said, that just epitomises what I DESPISE about football fans.

[specialjon]

He has worked for this club for 10 years and, whatever his limitations, has done an extraordinary job in that time, particularly in the early part of this very year and has shown himself to be an intelligent, hard-working, honest and likeable bloke.

Yet you call him a clown because of those limitations you perceive. And then attempt to justify it.

As I said, that just epitomises what I DESPISE about football fans.

+1

[Pandoras Box]

Simply abuse caused by frustration. If Mcd got the boot - any sensible mgr watching our previous games would remove Ledge. So why doesn't McD give it a go now? It might completely reshape the team as he has been the common denominator. If he's so keen to get Jobi into CM on substitution, try him with Tabby from the start (or of course Guthrie/Tabb) - we'll at least get a bit of pace into midfield.
Something's got to change ffs.

[winchester_royal]

He has worked for this club for 10 years and, whatever his limitations, has done an extraordinary job in that time, particularly in the early part of this very year and has shown himself to be an intelligent, hard-working, honest and likeable bloke.

Yet you call him a clown because of those limitations you perceive. And then attempt to justify it.

As I said, that just epitomises what I DESPISE about football fans.

No need to tarnish all fans with the same brush.

RB is in the extreme minority here.

[Royal Rother]

Of course not all. Actually the 1st time I used the expression I did say "some football supporters". Same stands.

[Once were Biscuitmen]

QPR, may still not have won a game but even in the few games since Harry, took over you can see they are playing with a lot more confidence ours is rock bottom at the moment and to make matters worse Mcdermott seems totally unable to motivate the players or know how to change things round . 35 to 36pts has been enough to stay up for quite a few seasons now unfortunately I can't see us getting anywhere near that if Mcdermott stays but if he is to go then he has to go in the next couple of weeks. Leave it any longer and you would be giving any nw manager very little time to either change things round or buy new players in the January transfer window.

Nice to here Harry telling things exactly how they are, rather than trying to protect the egos and the 'confidence' of his excessively paid failures. 'The ball is cleared to the edge of our box where one of our players decides to stand picking his nose, rather than closing their player down'.

And how much is the QPR squad worth relative to ours?

Brian is doing a good job with an average championship squad, we don't have the funds available to transform the team and firing our 2nd most successful manager in history would be a knee jerk reaction which would damage our chances of bouncing back in two to three years after relegation - IF we go down.

[Avon Royal]

He has worked for this club for 10 years and, whatever his limitations, has done an extraordinary job in that time, particularly in the early part of this very year and has shown himself to be an intelligent, hard-working, honest and likeable bloke.

Yet you call him a clown because of those limitations you perceive. And then attempt to justify it.

As I said, that just epitomises what I DESPISE about football fans.

Personal abuse of Brian is unnecessary, regardless of what one thinks about his future employment. Just another reason why I would prefer the situation to be addressed now, rather than waiting for the inevitable nastiness that will arrive if the situation drags.

[MmmMonsterMunch]

I don't want him to go but I do think the writing is on the wall & it probably will happen now.

Like Avon says I don't want it to get to the point where fans are chanting "You're getting sacked in the morning" as that would be horrid.

If the players have lost belief in his ability, then honestly I can't see how they would believe in him next year knowing that if we got up again, we'd be in the same boat.

However - this may not be the case & they could still be behind him. As a professional player it must be incredibly frustrating knowing you are punching above your weight & there's absolutely fcuk all you can do except suck it up week after week. It's going to take its toll eventually & yesterday looked the day it caught up with them.

All in all this season is shit!

[RoyalBlue]

He has worked for this club for 10 years and, whatever his limitations, has done an extraordinary job in that time, particularly in the early part of this very year and has shown himself to be an intelligent, hard-working, honest and likeable bloke.

Yet you call him a clown because of those limitations you perceive. And then attempt to justify it.

As I said, that just epitomises what I DESPISE about football fans.

Learn to read a bit more carefully. The 'abuse' was used in the heat of the moment after an incredibly inept performance by him and the team and an absolutely absurb post match interview, during which he appeared to intimate that the reason he hadn't brought Guthrie on was that he wasn't fit. Well, whichever way you look at it, you have to be a pretty dumb manager to put a player on the bench when he's not fit. We may have a weak squad (for which he has to take some blame) but we're still not short of fit players. Those limitations aren't perceived, they are there for all (barring the most myopic of followers) to see.

Equally, you have to be pretty dumb if you fail to spot (like it/agree with it or not) that being an an intelligent, hard-working, honest and likeable bloke counts for virtually nothing if you can't deliver performances and results in the PL.

So I'm not attempting to justify my comment, I'm explaining why I made it - a subtle difference, which you will probably fail to appreciate.

Before McDermott took us as low as we now find ourselves, I made it clear that I respected all his qualities you refer to, and what he has achieved in the past. However, I made it equally clear that, IMO, those things alone were not enough if he continued to fail, failed to learn and adapt, and took us to rapid relegation this season. I remain unchanged in that view.

And I'm afraid if he continues to perform/manage the way he is, and then adds insult to injury with his post match interviews, then I may well react with some more 'abuse' in the heat of the moment. What's more, I will not be the only one and you will increasingly see the side of football fans you despise.

Strangely, given all that you say about me, as someone who does regularly attend matches, I think it will still be some time before I joined in chants for McDermott's dismissal. In the heat of the moment, I may yell about some of his ludicrous tactics/substitutions etc. but I don't really want to subject him to mass chants. I hope either he or the club will do the sensible thing before it comes to that.

QPR, may still not have won a game but even in the few games since Harry, took over you can see they are playing with a lot more confidence ours is rock bottom at the moment and to make matters worse Mcdermott seems totally unable to motivate the players or know how to change things round . 35 to 36pts has been enough to stay up for quite a few seasons now unfortunately I can't see us getting anywhere near that if Mcdermott stays but if he is to go then he has to go in the next couple of weeks. Leave it any longer and you would be giving any nw manager very little time to either change things round or buy new players in the January transfer window.

Nice to here Harry telling things exactly how they are, rather than trying to protect the egos and the 'confidence' of his excessively paid failures. 'The ball is cleared to the edge of our box where one of our players decides to stand picking his nose, rather than closing their player down'.

And how much is the QPR squad worth relative to ours?

Brian is doing a good job with an average championship squad, we don't have the funds available to transform the team and firing our 2nd most successful manager in history would be a knee jerk reaction which would damage our chances of bouncing back in two to three years after relegation - IF we go down.

We may not have the same level of funds, which is why it is even more critical that the manager doesn't squander those that he has on players who don't fit in with his preferred style of play. Equally, the manager/club should not further limit their choices by freezing players out of contention due to contractual issues.

[MmmMonsterMunch]

RB - you've been calling him a clown for a while now so don't try to make out it was heat of the moment. And as for saying you only decided you wanted him out 2 weeks ago well that is total bollox too. You've been slagging him off for ages & yes I will trawl through your posts to prove it if required.

[windermere_royal]

If you manage Slough and Woking the jump to the PL is fecking huge, BM is being found out at this level sadly, 6 players signed and only 2 playing right now.
IMO not enough boxes are getting ticked that show him to be capable to manage at this level, we all enjoyed winning the league last year and we couldn`t look further that our RTGs but looking back we were hugely fortunate in some games towards the end of the season, teams in this league don`t miss the chances that teams in the CC missed.

[Cypry]

If you manage Slough and Woking the jump to the PL is fecking huge, BM is being found out at this level sadly, 6 players signed and only 2 playing right now.
IMO not enough boxes are getting ticked that show him to be capable to manage at this level, we all enjoyed winning the league last year and we couldn`t look further that our RTGs but looking back we were hugely fortunate in some games towards the end of the season, teams in this league don`t miss the chances that teams in the CC missed.

Christ alive, Pog and Gunter are both injured, McLeary is featuring regularly (albeit from the bench), as are Shorey and Mariappa, and Guthrie is only just back from injury...

Brian made it clear all along that he was signing players to "add to the group", and not necessarily rebuilding the side around the new signings....
The only one which IMO has backfired is Guthrie, and I suspect the problem there is that the rest of the team have struggled to fit the 4-5-1 approach, hence Brian giving up on that after a few attempts and moving back to the 4-4-2 of last year (a formation which Guthrie himself seems to struggle with)....I suspect this might also be why Pog has struggled - I wonder if there was a plan for the predominant formation to be 4-5-1 with Guthrie in the centre and Pog up top....as soon as it became clear that the rest of the squad couldn't work with that, Pog started to lose form....

You only had to look at the massive holes appearing between our back four and midfield when playing 4-5-1 to see that some of last years players just couldn't cope with that...