Where was Guthrie again?!

[Ian Royal]

Hoop hasn't said he did nothing wrong. He's putting it in context. You're the one focusing on the tiny minority of poor passes he made and over-inflating their importance. That's clearly because you're much happier looking for the negative in Guthrie and much of the positive passes you by.

[TBM]

Guthrie only gave the ball away 4 or 5 times from 59 passes.

and cos of this ^^ people are saying he was "constantly giving the ball away"

[melonhead]

that stat is wrong.


& numerous occasions =/= constantly

[melonhead]

Hoop hasn't said he did nothing wrong. He's putting it in context. You're the one focusing on the tiny minority of poor passes he made and over-inflating their importance. That's clearly because you're much happier looking for the negative in Guthrie and much of the positive passes you by.

no. i havent focussed on it at all. its right there in my post, amongst loads of positive stuff about his play.
you lot are focussing on it cos you cant handly people being 'mean' to our danny boy

[Hoop Blah]

I'm not a big believer in stats to reflect performance, but I've no reason to doubt the accuracy of whoscored's passing rates and even if they're slightly wrong, they'll be wrong for each player and so act as a decent method to compare. So far I've only been told of one instance he gave the ball away. If it was so prevalent then surely there'd be a few more examples you could give?

My eyes last night told me enough for me though.

The reason I'm discussing it is because yet again you don't seem to be giving Guthrie enough credit for a very good performance.

[TBM]

I'm not a big believer in stats to reflect performance, but I've no reason to doubt the accuracy of whoscored's passing rates and even if they're slightly wrong, they'll be wrong for each player and so act as a decent method to compare. So far I've only been told of one instance he gave the ball away. If it was so prevalent then surely there'd be a few more examples you could give?

My eyes last night told me enough for me though.

The reason I'm discussing it is because yet again you don't seem to be giving Guthrie enough credit for a very good performance.

Exactly.....people obviously don't like him, which they are entitled to, but don't let the facts [stats] get in the way

[melonhead]

goal.com have him as our worst player in their ratings/review (2/5), saying he was anonymous 1st half, and also mentioning that his passing wasnt good enough

eurosport gave him a 6 along with all of our other midfielders


theyre the only two ratings i could find online at the mo.

and theyre probably a bit more objective than us.

[soggy biscuit]

A: Passes 59 (92% complete), 5 key passes, crosses 11 (8 completed), 8 Long Balls (8 completed)

B: Passes 70 (86%), 8 key passes, crosses 4 (1 complete), 2 long balls (1 completed)

C: Passes 87 (95%), 0 key passes, crosses 1 (0 complete), 5 long balls (5 completed)


Player A is Guthrie, B is Silva and C is Yaya Toure

The average human being has less than 2 legs and less than 2 arms

[melonhead]

I'm not a big believer in stats to reflect performance, but I've no reason to doubt the accuracy of whoscored's passing rates and even if they're slightly wrong, they'll be wrong for each player and so act as a decent method to compare. So far I've only been told of one instance he gave the ball away. If it was so prevalent then surely there'd be a few more examples you could give?

My eyes last night told me enough for me though.

The reason I'm discussing it is because yet again you don't seem to be giving Guthrie enough credit for a very good performance.

wasnt very good. was just good.
ive given him loads of credit and positives.


whereas there is no acceptance of anything bad coming back......

[melonhead]

Hoop hasn't said he did nothing wrong. He's putting it in context. You're the one focusing on the tiny minority of poor passes he made and over-inflating their importance. That's clearly because you're much happier looking for the negative in Guthrie and much of the positive passes you by.

ive used context and balance.

hes only focussed on the positive

[Pepe the Horseman]

Danny Guthrie has superb balance.

[melonhead]

but his context is poor

[Pepe the Horseman]

True

[melonhead]

FOX news sports -

Danny Guthrie - 6

While Guthrie did give away possession cheaply on several occasions, he showed real determination to win the ball back and offer some resistance to the opposition midfielders

though they scored karacan as 5, and said

Reading boss Nigel Adkins will have every right to be displeased with Karacan's display.

The 24-year-old offered no protection to his back four and it was quite a surprise he was not replaced, given the Royals only made two substitutions.

so we shouldnt put too much emphasis on what they say

[melonhead]

sun dream team puts him on 6, along with mcanuff.
with karacan and mcleary both on 7

[ZacNaloen]

Don't think Fox Sports watched the same game as me tbf

[Pepe the Horseman]

Don't think Fox Sports watched the same game as me tbf

Same. I watched the Arsenal v Wigan game

[Hoop Blah]

There's a whole thread on how accurate the media coverage of RFC is brendy.

I've never taken their views or ratings with anything other than a truck load of salt, so I'm not going to start putting too much weight on their ratings.

[Ian Royal]

No offence. But some spacko journo giving a score out of ten is pretty meaningless compared to a website that purports to have counted the number of passes made and their success rate. I saw guthrie give the ball away maybe 5 times. Big fooking deal. The positives far out weigh those smsll negatives.

[SPARTA]

sun dream team puts him on 6, along with mcanuff.
with karacan and mcleary both on 7

I thought McAnuff was pretty anonymous for about 88 minutes of the game.