Ex Royals

[Hound]

Good luck to the chap in his new role. For half a season he created something outstanding, it’s a shame Dai had run out of money at that time, and then VP got found out a bit. But some of those teams he had to field second year….bloody hell. That team we lost 7-0 to Fulham with was as poor a side ever put out in that division

Always like him as a person so hope he goes on to do well

[Clyde1998]

Good luck to the chap in his new role. For half a season he created something outstanding, it’s a shame Dai had run out of money at that time, and then VP got found out a bit. But some of those teams he had to field second year….bloody hell. That team we lost 7-0 to Fulham with was as poor a side ever put out in that division

Always like him as a person so hope he goes on to do well

Had a look at the sides we played against Kidderminster and Fulham:

Rafael (31)
Tetek (19) - Holmes (21) - Holzman (18) - Bristow (20)
Drinkwater (31) - Osorio (19)
Camara (18) - Dele-Bashiru (22) - Halilovic (25)
Puscas (25)

Subs on: Stickland (18); Araruna (25); Rinomhota (24); Laurent (26); Azeez (20)

Fairly certain Laurent played centre-back when he came on; Araruna lasted about five minutes before getting injured after coming off the bench; Halilovic lasted forty minutes.

Southwood (24)
Tetek (19) - Holmes (21) - Dann (34) - Bristow (20)
Drinkwater (31) - Laurent (26)
Dele-Bashiru (22) - Swift (26) - Hoilett (31)
Carroll (33)

Subs on: Rinomhota (24); Camara (18); Puscas (25)

Scott Dann got injured after seven minutes, with Camara replacing him - so Laurent went centre-back again (IIRC). The other centre-back option was eighteen year-old Michael Stickland. Rinomhota came on at right-back.

Two awful teams in hindsight. Seems we were missing (from the regulars that season): Yiadom; Morrison; Rahman; Ejaria; Joao; McIntyre; Moore and Meite. No wonder it all fell apart around then.

[Snowflake Royal]

Good luck to the chap in his new role. For half a season he created something outstanding, it’s a shame Dai had run out of money at that time, and then VP got found out a bit. But some of those teams he had to field second year….bloody hell. That team we lost 7-0 to Fulham with was as poor a side ever put out in that division

Always like him as a person so hope he goes on to do well

Had a look at the sides we played against Kidderminster and Fulham:

Rafael (31)
Tetek (19) - Holmes (21) - Holzman (18) - Bristow (20)
Drinkwater (31) - Osorio (19)
Camara (18) - Dele-Bashiru (22) - Halilovic (25)
Puscas (25)

Subs on: Stickland (18); Araruna (25); Rinomhota (24); Laurent (26); Azeez (20)

Fairly certain Laurent played centre-back when he came on; Araruna lasted about five minutes before getting injured after coming off the bench; Halilovic lasted forty minutes.

Southwood (24)
Tetek (19) - Holmes (21) - Dann (34) - Bristow (20)
Drinkwater (31) - Laurent (26)
Dele-Bashiru (22) - Swift (26) - Hoilett (31)
Carroll (33)

Subs on: Rinomhota (24); Camara (18); Puscas (25)

Scott Dann got injured after seven minutes, with Camara replacing him - so Laurent went centre-back again (IIRC). The other centre-back option was eighteen year-old Michael Stickland. Rinomhota came on at right-back.

Two awful teams in hindsight. Seems we were missing (from the regulars that season): Yiadom; Morrison; Rahman; Ejaria; Joao; McIntyre; Moore and Meite. No wonder it all fell apart around then.

Oh look. Shitwater in both sides.

Whoever decided to extend Dann's contract and release Morrison should be shot.

[AthleticoSpizz]

Good luck to the chap in his new role. For half a season he created something outstanding, it’s a shame Dai had run out of money at that time, and then VP got found out a bit. But some of those teams he had to field second year….bloody hell. That team we lost 7-0 to Fulham with was as poor a side ever put out in that division

Always like him as a person so hope he goes on to do well

yep, this.

‘Left us’ quietly, dignified, and with a win.

He’s doing better than us right now

[Snowflake Royal]

Good luck to the chap in his new role. For half a season he created something outstanding, it’s a shame Dai had run out of money at that time, and then VP got found out a bit. But some of those teams he had to field second year….bloody hell. That team we lost 7-0 to Fulham with was as poor a side ever put out in that division

Always like him as a person so hope he goes on to do well

yep, this.

‘Left us’ quietly, dignified, and with a win.

He’s doing better than us right now

I lose track of the order of clueless wasters we've had... but didn’t he get booted and we had to have Ince's dad come in and save us from a relegation we were sleep walking into under him?

And wasn't his success almost entirely down to Joao playing like a PL star for six months before missing two penalties break his hip and becoming a clogger?

[AthleticoSpizz]

Good luck to the chap in his new role. For half a season he created something outstanding, it’s a shame Dai had run out of money at that time, and then VP got found out a bit. But some of those teams he had to field second year….bloody hell. That team we lost 7-0 to Fulham with was as poor a side ever put out in that division

Always like him as a person so hope he goes on to do well

yep, this.

‘Left us’ quietly, dignified, and with a win.

He’s doing better than us right now

I lose track of the order of clueless wasters we've had... but didn’t he get booted and we had to have Ince's dad come in and save us from a relegation we were sleep walking into under him?

And wasn't his success almost entirely down to Joao playing like a PL star for six months before missing two penalties break his hip and becoming a clogger?

yes, he got ‘booted’ four points from his last two games iirc.

Dealt a hand like a foot in his last days and maybe having the last laugh now?

[Hound]

Good luck to the chap in his new role. For half a season he created something outstanding, it’s a shame Dai had run out of money at that time, and then VP got found out a bit. But some of those teams he had to field second year….bloody hell. That team we lost 7-0 to Fulham with was as poor a side ever put out in that division

Always like him as a person so hope he goes on to do well

yep, this.

‘Left us’ quietly, dignified, and with a win.

He’s doing better than us right now

I lose track of the order of clueless wasters we've had... but didn’t he get booted and we had to have Ince's dad come in and save us from a relegation we were sleep walking into under him?

And wasn't his success almost entirely down to Joao playing like a PL star for six months before missing two penalties break his hip and becoming a clogger?

Bit harsh. Trying to remember the dates but he had Richards playing the best football of his career, that Rino/Laurent pivot, Ejaria playing well. Didn’t have a lot of Swift when he was good I don’t think. Even got Aluko contributing. Meite playing well

(May be wrong on some of these, was a while ago…)

He did lose the plot - but as mentioned - those teams he had to field…awful.

[Snowflake Royal]

yep, this.

‘Left us’ quietly, dignified, and with a win.

He’s doing better than us right now

I lose track of the order of clueless wasters we've had... but didn’t he get booted and we had to have Ince's dad come in and save us from a relegation we were sleep walking into under him?

And wasn't his success almost entirely down to Joao playing like a PL star for six months before missing two penalties break his hip and becoming a clogger?

yes, he got ‘booted’ four points from his last two games iirc.

Dealt a hand like a foot in his last days and maybe having the last laugh now?

He had lost the previous 8 (EIGHT) games in a row though, having gone 12 (TWELVE) games without a win prior to his last game.

Losing 20 out of 34 games is stupendously bad, even dealt a rough hand.

[AthleticoSpizz]

Hasn’t done him too much harm, evidently.
Lessons learnt, no doubt.

[stealthpapes]

He says as much in the interview.

I liked him but something clearly went wrong in that second season. The first points deduction hit in November, form dropped off a cliff about a month prior.

RIP Jahmari Clarke Sweet Prince

[Hendo]

He says as much in the interview.

I liked him but something clearly went wrong in that second season. The first points deduction hit in November, form dropped off a cliff about a month prior.

RIP Jahmari Clarke Sweet Prince

They may well have known, or maybe heard rumours, internally about the points deduction before it was made public.

[stealthpapes]

He says as much in the interview.

I liked him but something clearly went wrong in that second season. The first points deduction hit in November, form dropped off a cliff about a month prior.

RIP Jahmari Clarke Sweet Prince

They may well have known, or maybe heard rumours, internally about the points deduction before it was made public.

yeah, I am 100% certain that happened the following season.

[JedMaxwell]

They would definitely have been told or at least had an idea what was coming when the points deductions happened. Must be hard to motivate a squad that's already got their heads down, knowing a win wouldn't get them any further.

I always thought Pauno was a decent bloke doing his best and was very classy throughout his time here. I hope he does well with Serbia.

[WestYorksRoyal]

He says as much in the interview.

I liked him but something clearly went wrong in that second season. The first points deduction hit in November, form dropped off a cliff about a month prior.

RIP Jahmari Clarke Sweet Prince

They may well have known, or maybe heard rumours, internally about the points deduction before it was made public.

yeah, I am 100% certain that happened the following season.

But it also says something about the club at the same time that it affected the players so badly two seasons in a row. I remember the contrast with Derby at the time, and then obviously the siege mentality we had under Selles and Hunt in L1. A bit of that resilience would have kept us up. I don't think you can pin that on Pauno and Ince though, it was systemic at the club.

[Snowflake Royal]

They may well have known, or maybe heard rumours, internally about the points deduction before it was made public.

yeah, I am 100% certain that happened the following season.

But it also says something about the club at the same time that it affected the players so badly two seasons in a row. I remember the contrast with Derby at the time, and then obviously the siege mentality we had under Selles and Hunt in L1. A bit of that resilience would have kept us up. I don't think you can pin that on Pauno and Ince though, it was systemic at the club.

It can't help constantly hiring washed up ex-somebodies like Drinkwater, Drenthe, Yakubu, Haliliovic, Rahman, Dann etc.

They're not exactly going to rally round and dig in for the future of the club.

[Hound]

yeah, I am 100% certain that happened the following season.

But it also says something about the club at the same time that it affected the players so badly two seasons in a row. I remember the contrast with Derby at the time, and then obviously the siege mentality we had under Selles and Hunt in L1. A bit of that resilience would have kept us up. I don't think you can pin that on Pauno and Ince though, it was systemic at the club.

It can't help constantly hiring washed up ex-somebodies like Drinkwater, Drenthe, Yakubu, Haliliovic, Rahman, Dann etc.

They're not exactly going to rally round and dig in for the future of the club.

There was quite clearly an attitude issue with some of the players - NHunt referred to it a fair bit, but you could see as well. Joao not bothering to show for our last game before relegation a good example. I guess we were such a state we could have either gone for cheap nobodies or the likes of those mentioned and hoped the quality would show through. In the end it didn’t really work out but to be fair can’t really blame the managers too much

FWIW I thought, and still think, dislikable as he can be, that Ince didn’t do an awful job. It was an absolutely rotten side and we almost did enough to stay up

Pauno you could see had something about him (bit like Selles) but maybe not a firefighter type as a manager

[stealthpapes]

They may well have known, or maybe heard rumours, internally about the points deduction before it was made public.

yeah, I am 100% certain that happened the following season.

But it also says something about the club at the same time that it affected the players so badly two seasons in a row. I remember the contrast with Derby at the time, and then obviously the siege mentality we had under Selles and Hunt in L1. A bit of that resilience would have kept us up. I don't think you can pin that on Pauno and Ince though, it was systemic at the club.

It was fairly clear that part of Selles' approach was to (a) get rid of anyone he didn't think would contribute and (b) foster a strong us (and us to include the fans) vs them mentality in the remaining squad.

It doesn't work forever.

It can't help constantly hiring washed up ex-somebodies like Drinkwater, Drenthe, Yakubu, Haliliovic, Rahman, Dann etc.

I guess we were such a state we could have either gone for cheap nobodies or the likes of those mentioned and hoped the quality would show through.

It's narrow margins, obviously, but wasn't it much more fun when we went for cheap nobodies?

[From Despair To Where?]

They may well have known, or maybe heard rumours, internally about the points deduction before it was made public.

yeah, I am 100% certain that happened the following season.

But it also says something about the club at the same time that it affected the players so badly two seasons in a row. I remember the contrast with Derby at the time, and then obviously the siege mentality we had under Selles and Hunt in L1. A bit of that resilience would have kept us up. I don't think you can pin that on Pauno and Ince though, it was systemic at the club.

Derby were hit with a massive deduction all in one go. I guess it's easier to build up a siege mentality when you have nothing to lose. Our deductions were drip fed so it must have felt like 2 steps forward, 3 steps back.

[Snowflake Royal]

But it also says something about the club at the same time that it affected the players so badly two seasons in a row. I remember the contrast with Derby at the time, and then obviously the siege mentality we had under Selles and Hunt in L1. A bit of that resilience would have kept us up. I don't think you can pin that on Pauno and Ince though, it was systemic at the club.

It can't help constantly hiring washed up ex-somebodies like Drinkwater, Drenthe, Yakubu, Haliliovic, Rahman, Dann etc.

They're not exactly going to rally round and dig in for the future of the club.

There was quite clearly an attitude issue with some of the players - NHunt referred to it a fair bit, but you could see as well. Joao not bothering to show for our last game before relegation a good example. I guess we were such a state we could have either gone for cheap nobodies or the likes of those mentioned and hoped the quality would show through. In the end it didn’t really work out but to be fair can’t really blame the managers too much

FWIW I thought, and still think, dislikable as he can be, that Ince didn’t do an awful job. It was an absolutely rotten side and we almost did enough to stay up

Pauno you could see had something about him (bit like Selles) but maybe not a firefighter type as a manager

PInce did some good work behind the scenes and early on.

But the relationship with his son, who could do no wrong despite seeming to be an arse to everyone around him, and ignoring promising youth players who had a future in favour of has been failures was simply not good enough. But that's why no one but us hired him in more than a decade. He's not very good.